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Re: (HELP!) CO2 Vehicle Emissions Import Charges

to confirm: if a new car has daily registration (Tageszulassung) by a German dealer at least six months before the date of import to Switzerland, it is exempt from the CO2 sanctions, right? does it matter if it is still new, with almost no kms?
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to confirm: if a new car has daily registration (Tageszulassung) by a German dealer at least six months before the date of import to Switzerland, it is exempt from the CO2 sanctions, right? does it matter if it is still new, with almost no kms?
I've been checking the same thing recently and it seems that's no the case:
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Ebenfalls ausgenommen sind PW, die im Ausland vor mehr als sechs Monaten vor der Zollanmeldung in der Schweiz zugelassen worden sind. Bei vormals im Ausland zugelassenen Fahrzeugen wird nur eine ordentliche Zulassung zum Verkehr mit Fahrzeugausweis anerkannt. Kurzzulassungen, Tageszulassungen und Zulassungen mit Zollschildern gelten nicht als ordentliche Zulassung. Die Zulassung im Ausland muss zwingend auf eine natürliche oder juristische Person erfolgen, mit Sitz aus dem entsprechenden Land.
https://www.bfe.admin.ch/bfe/de/home...en-pw/faq.html
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Actually, I have contacted astra.admin.ch about the same issue, and they said it does not matter. That is why I wanted to check here with someone who knows from experience. It would be a surprise to get a bill 1/3rd of the price of the car, only to defend with 'but they told me it is ok'

Just to confirm, based on the FAQ in the following page: The car has to be a used car for >6 months to qualify as CO2-sanction-free, right? If the car is new but the 'Erstzulassung' of the car is more than 6 months ago due to 'Tageszulassung', this does not necessarily qualify, does it?

https://www.bfe.admin.ch/bfe/de/home...en-pw/faq.html

Was gilt als erstmalige Inverkehrsetzung? Fallen Occasionsfahrzeuge unter die Vorschriften?

Erstmals in Verkehr gesetzt im Sinne des CO2-Gesetzes sind PW, die erstmals zum Verkehr in der Schweiz zugelassen werden. Fahrzeuge, die vorgängig in der Schweiz zugelassen waren, fallen nicht unter die Vorschriften. Ebenfalls ausgenommen sind PW, die im Ausland vor mehr als sechs Monaten vor der Zollanmeldung in der Schweiz zugelassen worden sind. Bei vormals im Ausland zugelassenen Fahrzeugen wird nur eine ordentliche Zulassung zum Verkehr mit Fahrzeugausweis anerkannt. Kurzzulassungen, Tageszulassungen und Zulassungen mit Zollschildern gelten nicht als ordentliche Zulassung. Die Zulassung im Ausland muss zwingend auf eine natürliche oder juristische Person erfolgen, mit Sitz aus dem entsprechenden Land.
Fahrzeuge, die im Fürstentum Liechtenstein in Verkehr gesetzt werden, sind den Fahrzeugen in der Schweiz gleichgestellt.


And they said that it is alright as long as registration is in Germany and >6 months. I actually phoned them and they answered similarly:
It doesn’t matter how long the car was registered. It must have been registered more the six months ago when you import the car into Switzerland. Theoretically this could have been just a day. It is important that the car was registered to an address in Germany (company or private person). An address for example, from Switzerland would not be accepted. Also the mileage is not important. It could be theoretically 0km.
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Actually, I have contacted astra.admin.ch about the same issue, and they said it does not matter. That is why I wanted to check here with someone who knows from experience. It would be a surprise to get a bill 1/3rd of the price of the car, only to defend with 'but they told me it is ok'
Thanks for the information. I'm actually quite surprised that the rules in FAQ on the website are not enforced. Perhaps it's only made to discourage Swiss people from buying cars on the other side of the border?

I'm in a bit different situation: I moved and I had the car in my posession for less than 6 months, forcing me take the Form 15.30 which allows for using the car for two years without importing it. After one year I have to switch plates, so it makes little sense to do it again after importing, and I'm planning to pay the fees and get Form 13.20A in two months. The CO2 tax has been the scary part given the possible penalty of 3-4 thousand francs (small and light car with emission of 131 g/km). Fortunately, I'm officially the second owner since the car was used as an exhibition in showroom and it had a normal registration plates. Even if they interpret "Zollanmeldung" as the day of obtaining Form 15.30, I still have more than six months from the day of first registration.
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After one year I have to switch plates, so it makes little sense to do it again after importing, and I'm planning to pay the fees and get Form 13.20A in two months.
Did you do the math and considered all costs? Delaying the import and using Z-Plates can result in substantial tax and duty savings due to the additional depreciation. On the other hand insurance on Z-plates might be more expensive.

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The CO2 tax has been the scary part given the possible penalty of 3-4 thousand francs (small and light car with emission of 131 g/km). Fortunately, I'm officially the second owner since the car was used as an exhibition in showroom and it had a normal registration plates. Even if they interpret "Zollanmeldung" as the day of obtaining Form 15.30, I still have more than six months from the day of first registration.
AFAIK date of Zollanmeldung should be the date you request Form 13.20. With this you should have a lot more than 6 months and no CO2 tax should be due.

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And they said that it is alright as long as registration is in Germany and >6 months. I actually phoned them and they answered similarly:
It doesn’t matter how long the car was registered. It must have been registered more the six months ago when you import the car into Switzerland. Theoretically this could have been just a day. It is important that the car was registered to an address in Germany (company or private person). An address for example, from Switzerland would not be accepted. Also the mileage is not important. It could be theoretically 0km.
A phone call has not a lot of legal value. It is hard to proof that what you heard is the same as what they actually said. If you recorded the call you must made this obvious as consent is needed.

You might write them and specifically ask about the conflicting information you got on phone vs. what is stated on the website. Also ask specifically what actual law or ordinance forbids a Tageszulassung. If they write back and still claim a tageszulassung is perfectly fine you have actually an answer which you can rely on and might even claim good faith and trust.
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Did you do the math and considered all costs? Delaying the import and using Z-Plates can result in substantial tax and duty savings due to the additional depreciation. On the other hand insurance on Z-plates might be more expensive.
I've been thinking about this but I found two conflicting versions: one of them said that the price on contract is binding, the other one that Zollamt has its own tables for current value of the car. I agree with you, it makes perfect sense to wait because of deprecation. However, I don't know how they will estimate that, the new price of this car is lower in Poland (no CO2 tax?), and we got a car from showroom which provided additional discounts. When the taxes are approximately 12% of car value, it's likely that all gains will be minor. Currently we're talking about 1,5k CHF taxes on a new car value, and I guess that any further proceedings will not be free (admin fees, new standard plates).

Yes, with Z-plates you're automatically out of the pool of standard situations accepted by all online calculators, so I guess I really need to call insurers or visit them in person to get quotes.

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AFAIK date of Zollanmeldung should be the date you request Form 13.20. With this you should have a lot more than 6 months and no CO2 tax should be due.
Interesting. I thought about this scenario because googling revelead that people buying new cars abroad have problems with CO2 penalty. It seems that almost nobody with Form 15.30 has this problem, but I considered this scenario as too optimistic for my case

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I've been thinking about this but I found two conflicting versions: one of them said that the price on contract is binding, the other one that Zollamt has its own tables for current value of the car. I agree with you, it makes perfect sense to wait because of deprecation. However, I don't know how they will estimate that, the new price of this car is lower in Poland (no CO2 tax?), and we got a car from showroom which provided additional discounts. When the taxes are approximately 12% of car value, it's likely that all gains will be minor. Currently we're talking about 1,5k CHF taxes on a new car value, and I guess that any further proceedings will not be free (admin fees, new standard plates).
Sorry I do nether know. They might us a linear, flat deduction of 20% per year. In that case you save CHF 300 per year. I suggest to ask Swiss custom directly. Switching to a regular plates should cost around CHF 100 (plates are around CHF 40, gray card as well) for actual numbers ask StvA/SAN of your canton.
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Re: (HELP!) CO2 Vehicle Emissions Import Charges

well, this is from 2017, but apparently, at least by back then, they allowed the tageszulassung:


Auf diese legale Trickserei setzt die Schweizer Autobranche


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Also, mentioned in page 9 of this document.


And at the bottom of this page, there is a question-answer from 02.2020, that suggests Tageszulassung is OK:
gilt die CO2 Abgabe auch bei Fahrzeugen mit Tageszulassung 01.2019?
Vielen Dank für Ihre Antwort

die CO2-Abgabe gilt nur für Fahrzeuge, die nicht älter sind als 6 Monate. Somit müssen Sie für Ihr Fahrzeug keine CO2-Steuer leisten.


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Also, mentioned in page 9 of this document.
This is an NGO commentary from 2012 that criticizes this practice and suggests improvements: extending the minimum duration to 12 months or requering that the car has at least 5000 km driven before importing to Switzerland.
This document has no legal binding, thus I'd be very careful when it comes to relying on the information provided there.

I wish you the best with your import, but I'd try getting a response in an email as suggested above. I asked them a question about the e-dec declaration and they've been very friendly and helpful.
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by the way. the six month period is from the import date back, right, not from the sales contract?
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Yes. The time period between first admission to roads in another country and first registration at Swiss customs.
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