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Scooter A1/A lessons recommendations in Zurich?

I am looking at getting a scooter for Summer fun and commuting, probably a Honda PCX 125 2018, and will be aiming to go and get my provisional license this or next week.

Once I get my so that I want to get my '8 hours practical' asap so that I can get my A1 license formalised.

Does anyone who has done this in Zurich (I live in the Sihl City area) please have any recommendations for instructors that also speak English?
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Re: Scooter A1/A lessons recommendations in Zurich?

yep this chap. we used to meet at Adliswil station. really good guy, speaks amazing english (and french)

http://www.fahrschule-barmettler.ch/

takes you all around Uetliberg and up by Park Im Grun for a quick coffee and gipuli

i did my A1 with him a few years back and would go back to him again
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Re: Scooter A1/A lessons recommendations in Zurich?

I second that, Matthias is very good in Adliswil. I highly recommend.
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yep this chap. we used to meet at Adliswil station. really good guy, speaks amazing english (and french)

http://www.fahrschule-barmettler.ch/

takes you all around Uetliberg and up by Park Im Grun for a quick coffee and gipuli

i did my A1 with him a few years back and would go back to him again
I concur. Did my motorcycle lessons with him. Very nice guy.
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Re: Scooter A1/A lessons recommendations in Zurich?

Awesome guys thanks that's actually very convenient for me so I will get in touch with him.

Any other suggestions also welcome!
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yep this chap. we used to meet at Adliswil station. really good guy, speaks amazing english (and french)

http://www.fahrschule-barmettler.ch/

takes you all around Uetliberg and up by Park Im Grun for a quick coffee and gipuli

i did my A1 with him a few years back and would go back to him again
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I concur. Did my motorcycle lessons with him. Very nice guy.
Guys do you remember how much the lessons cost just so I have a ball-park figure?
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Re: Scooter A1/A lessons recommendations in Zurich?

ite tells you on the site fella


Preise für Motorrad Unterricht


  • Grundkurs Teil 1 Fr. 190.- (4 Lektionen)
  • Grundkurs Teil 2 Fr. 190.- (4 Lektionen)
  • Grundkurs Teil 3 Fr. 190.- (4 Lektionen)
  • Einzellektionen Fr. 94.- (50 Minuten)
190 for what you need for A1


plus 25 chf for the eye test at your local vision express
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Re: Scooter A1/A lessons recommendations in Zurich?

drop him an email though, he usually replies very quickly and in english. he's alway been very helpful
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ite tells you on the site fella


Preise für Motorrad Unterricht


  • Grundkurs Teil 1 Fr. 190.- (4 Lektionen)
  • Grundkurs Teil 2 Fr. 190.- (4 Lektionen)
  • Grundkurs Teil 3 Fr. 190.- (4 Lektionen)
  • Einzellektionen Fr. 94.- (50 Minuten)
190 for what you need for A1


plus 25 chf for the eye test at your local vision express
Ahh somehow missed that, thanks!

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drop him an email though, he usually replies very quickly and in english. he's alway been very helpful
Already did, thanks.
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Re: Scooter A1/A lessons recommendations in Zurich?

Hmm, guys I please need help with a question... is it possible to pass the A1 or A- on a three-wheeled scooter such as the Yamaha Tricity? I contacted that instructor from Adliswil and he seemed to say that I can't learn on a 3-wheeler like the Yamaha Tricity. Do you know if that's the case? I thought it was still classed as a regular scooter.
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Re: Scooter A1/A lessons recommendations in Zurich?

If you have a driver's licence for a car, an A licence is included just for trikes. I would imagine for this reason, you can't use one.
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I am looking at getting a scooter for Summer fun and commuting, probably a Honda PCX 125 2018, and will be aiming to go and get my provisional license this or next week.

Once I get my so that I want to get my '8 hours practical' asap so that I can get my A1 license formalised.

Does anyone who has done this in Zurich (I live in the Sihl City area) please have any recommendations for instructors that also speak English?
Please inform me at the earliest opportunity of make, type and colour of scooter so I can take all possible measures of avoidance when you do pass. No offense intended.
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If you have a driver's licence for a car, an A licence is included just for trikes. I would imagine for this reason, you can't use one.
I think you misunderstood the question. I asked if I could do the required A1 practice hours on a 3 wheel scooter to get my A1 license, not if I could ride it without doing any lessons using my B license. The thread title and opening post should make that quite clear.
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Hmm, guys I please need help with a question... is it possible to pass the A1 or A- on a three-wheeled scooter such as the Yamaha Tricity? I contacted that instructor from Adliswil and he seemed to say that I can't learn on a 3-wheeler like the Yamaha Tricity. Do you know if that's the case? I thought it was still classed as a regular scooter.
Depending on track width it is either classed as a small car (B1) or a scooter/motorbike. AFAIK there is no regulation in the law which would disallow a three wheeled scooter for the basic course or practical test as long as it is not classed as small car.

But that makes me wonder what would happen if one would do the motorbike practicasl exam with the Yamaha Niken, specially the part where you have to do 10 meters in 15 seconds or more.
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Depending on track width it is either classed as a small car (B1) or a scooter/motorbike. AFAIK there is no regulation in the law which would disallow a three wheeled scooter for the basic course or practical test as long as it is not classed as small car.
It is 100% classed as a scooter, so thanks for confirming that!

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But that makes me wonder what would happen if one would do the motorbike practical exam with the Yamaha Niken, specially the part where you have to do 10 meters in 15 seconds or more.
The Niken looks very interesting. You can debate all you want about 3 wheels being cool or not (personally I think the Niken looks awesome), but the rider safety and control improvements are undeniable, especially in the wet. I'll put my safety and ability to preserve my fair looks and health over a bit of street cred any day.
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Re: Scooter A1/A lessons recommendations in Zurich?

look here - this has all vehicle catagories


http://www.stva.zh.ch/internet/siche...Alf/LFkat.html
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Hmm, guys I please need help with a question... is it possible to pass the A1 or A- on a three-wheeled scooter such as the Yamaha Tricity?
Had a quick chat with an StVA/MFK guy. Apparently there are two types of three wheeled vehicles. As I mentioned it depends on the track width.

One type is technically not a motorcycle but needs at least in Switzerland a motorcycle license, Piaggo mp3 for example.

The other is technically a motorcycle if the middle of the wheels is less than 460 mm apart. Art. 16 VTS https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a16


Apparently the Yamaha Tricity has 385 mm http://www.auto.de/magazin/yamaha-tr...tkraft-klasse/ the Niken 410 mm https://bikerszene.de/magazin/news/7...en-update.html

Now, the discussion was brief as it was after a motorcycle MFK. So time was limited. But the guy said a three wheeler is not, i paraphrase here, not a motorcycle and we want to see that you can ride a motorcycle.

Now I was not fully prepared, nor did I know the the exact track widths of both Yamaha, and neither the exact regulation of Art. 16 VTS. So i could not really challenge the guy.

In the Merkblatt no such thing is mentioned. Just that it can not have a side car. https://stva.zh.ch/internet/sicherhe...KATA201801.pdf

But on the website it says clearly no three wheeler allowed.
https://stva.zh.ch/internet/sicherhe...f/LFprfMR.html

Art. 88 VZV says the an exam vehicle may not be equipped with "extraordinary driving aids". Nothing is stated in the VZV regarding basic riders course, just that it must be category A or A1 respectively. In Appendix 12, Section V it is again stated that no sidecar is allowed for the practical exam.

In conclusion, basic rider course could be possible if track width is narrow enough. On the other hand for the practical exam it could fall under the extraordinary driving aid rule and thus is not allowed.
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