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BMW Retrofits and Tax Return

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I have a BMW X1 which has only back sensors. I want also sensors for front and a rear camera as well. I've asked BMW Switzerland and they've offered me around 5000 chf for these features with montage.

I've asked a garage in stuttgart in germand and they've offered half price of what the Switzerland BMW offered.

Well, I am thinking to go to Stuttgart but thinking about tax back. So total cost is 2198 euro. As I know that if I buy something from EU more than 300 euro then I have to pay tax in switzerland.

So German Tax is 18% as I know and Swiss tax is 8%.

The garage probably has no tax refund form. Well how can I handle this ?

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Re: BMW Retrofits and Tax Return

i would go for a cheap aftermarket solution.
2200 euro is really a waste of money.
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i would go for a cheap aftermarket solution.
2200 euro is really a waste of money.
The parts are original and new thats why they are expensive. I can also use the aftermarket parts.. I can buy somehow but the problam is montage. I saw several videos and they are really difficult. The car's rigth mirror blinker was not working. And I wanted to change it and it was already difficult for me to change. While we were changing we broke the mirror and I had to buy a mirror.. So implementing a camera and sensors will be more difficult.

Do you know some place which do this job?

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The garage probably has no tax refund form. Well how can I handle this?
Call the garage and ask them, if language is an issue then email and google-translate.

My experience with a garage in Stockach, DE:
1. Pay garage Sales-price + DE-Tax (19%)
2. Drove to Swiss custom. Payed CH-Tax (8%). Keep custom receipt.
3. Drove home. Scan custom-receipt and emailed to garage. DE-Tax amount was in my bank konto a couple of days later.

For #3, you normally would have to drive back to the garage/store, show them the receipt and they give you back the DE-tax in cash. Before I went to the garage, I gave them a call and told them about my intention to claim back the DE-tax. They told me about this scan/email-bank transfer option, so win-win for me.
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I've asked a garage in stuttgart in germand and they've offered half price of what the Switzerland BMW offered.

Well, I am thinking to go to Stuttgart but thinking about tax back. So total cost is 2198 euro. As I know that if I buy something from EU more than 300 euro then I have to pay tax in switzerland.

So German Tax is 18% as I know and Swiss tax is 8%.

The garage probably has no tax refund form. Well how can I handle this ?
The VAT requirement/return is for goods imported, not services paid for, which is what you're doing here, even though new parts may be fitted.

So you shouldn't be at risk of needing to pay Swiss tax, and you certainly won't be able to reclaim the German VAT.
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The VAT requirement/return is for goods imported, not services paid for, which is what you're doing here, even though new parts may be fitted.

So you shouldn't be at risk of needing to pay Swiss tax, and you certainly won't be able to reclaim the German VAT.
€2198 I assume is parts + labor. He can reclaim on the "parts" portion of the cost. I was in a similar situation last year when I had a towbar installed.
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Re: BMW Retrofits and Tax Return

wouldn't it be cheaper just to learn how to park??

aftermarket camera and screen < 100 chf
aftermarket sensors < 100 chf

time for a garage to fit here? max 2 hours - and that's being REALLY generous

2000 euro for OEM bmw is bonkers, that must be replacing your whole bumper for one with sensors already built in.

ETA It won't add value to your car, its just throwing money away
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€2198 I assume is parts + labor. He can reclaim on the "parts" portion of the cost. I was in a similar situation last year when I had a towbar installed.
In theory you need to be able to show the goods to the customs people - I cos just about imagine doing so with a towbar, but do you think they're going top accept this on things that they can't really even see?
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The garage probably has no tax refund form. Well how can I handle this ?

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All is needed is a bill with the correct address of the buyer and details of the seller. Ausfuhrscheine are only needed because grocery and clothing store receipt do not have the buyers details on it.

Also German tax law mandates that for a refund vehicle accessory stuff is mounted to the vehicle and parts are at least 50% of the total bill. Then you have a Werklieferung and tax can be reimbursed after export.

BMW Gottstein (Waldshut-Tiengen and Bad Säckingen) knows how to do it and has many Swiss customers.
also Autohaus Tiefert (Waldshut-Tiengen Toyota, Opel, Chrysler, Saab) does it.
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The VAT requirement/return is for goods imported, not services paid for, which is what you're doing here, even though new parts may be fitted.

So you shouldn't be at risk of needing to pay Swiss tax, and you certainly won't be able to reclaim the German VAT.
I managed to reclaim German VAT & pay Swiss VAT.
It does not work from France which is probably why your saying what you did.
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Hi all

I have a BMW X1 which has only back sensors. I want also sensors for front and a rear camera as well. I've asked BMW Switzerland and they've offered me around 5000 chf for these features with montage.

I've asked a garage in stuttgart in germand and they've offered half price of what the Switzerland BMW offered.

Well, I am thinking to go to Stuttgart but thinking about tax back. So total cost is 2198 euro. As I know that if I buy something from EU more than 300 euro then I have to pay tax in switzerland.

So German Tax is 18% as I know and Swiss tax is 8%.

The garage probably has no tax refund form. Well how can I handle this ?

Thanx


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Re: BMW Retrofits and Tax Return

Thank you for all answers.

As I understand, it may work. I have L permit and cant tax refund thats why the buyer will be my swiss gf.

Well the steps what I should follow:

1- contact the seller and ask a bill (maybe tax refund bill)
2- go germany and let the job finish
3- the bill should contain only goods not labor?
3- come to swiss border, give the bill
4- get the stamped bill
5- send the bill back to the garage
6- they send the money

are these steps correct?

@aSwissInTheUS I asked some other things to BMW Gottstein and their price was high..
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So you shouldn't be at risk of needing to pay Swiss tax, and you certainly won't be able to reclaim the German VAT.
Have a look at the back of your vehicles gray card.
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Thank you for all answers.

As I understand, it may work. I have L permit and cant tax refund thats why the buyer will be my swiss gf.
Short term L or for one year? At least in the later case a tax refund should be possible as you are a proper Swiss resident.

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Well the steps what I should follow:

1- contact the seller and ask if the job can be done as Werkslieferung and if he does refund VAT after export.
2- go germany and get the job done.
3- the bill should contain goods and labor, price VAT, details of buyer which will export.
4- buyer on bill goes to German customs office and get export stamp.
5- go to Swiss customs office and pay Swiss VAT.
6- drive into Switzerland to complete export/import process.
7- send the bill back to the garage
8- they send the money
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Re: BMW Retrofits and Tax Return

Full sensors and a rear camera on a new X1 cost CHF 950 as an option. € 2,200 is mad enough, as for CHF 5K....
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Short term L or for one year? At least in the later case a tax refund should be possible as you are a proper Swiss resident.
this is my second year on L and yes its for one year. Las year I bought something in gemand and went to the custom. The officer said I have L permit, it does not work with L
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Full sensors and a rear camera on a new X1 cost CHF 950 as an option. € 2,200 is mad enough, as for CHF 5K....
when you buy a new car yes its like that because there is less work.. I bought it as second hand. If I knew that I'll need these things, I would look for it but now its late..
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how old is the car?
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when you buy a new car yes its like that because there is less work.. I bought it as second hand. If I knew that I'll need these things, I would look for it but now its late..
a rear view camera doesn't add much value, in my opinion.
and for 2200 euros you can buy quite a couple of bumpers on ebay.

if you want to proceed, i would consider to sell the X1 and look for another one.
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I've asked a garage in stuttgart in germand
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when you buy a new car yes its like that because there is less work.. I bought it as second hand. If I knew that I'll need these things, I would look for it but now its late..
You absolutely need front sensors. On a small hatch back. And you are willing to pay 2200 EUR for it? I'll be honest... that's a bit silly.
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