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Re: Swiss Autobahn Vignette

a hairdryer will help to soften the glue. You can also use this method to remove other stickers.
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Old 17.06.2007, 10:27
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a hairdryer will help to soften the glue. You can also use this method to remove other stickers.
Not the most useful tip when my car is 3 floors below me...
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Not the most useful tip when my car is 3 floors below me...
you could always use a very hot water bottle in this case (park in the sun for an hour with the windows up), or just get a glass scraper from the DIY store and use some white sprirt to remove the last bits of glue.
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Re: Swiss Autobahn Vignette

for those thinking of the 2008 Vignette, there is a deal from www.keyfinder.ch for a vignette plus a keyfinder fob for 59 francs. That's not bad now is it?
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Old 12.12.2007, 20:33
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Re: Swiss Autobahn Vignette

or, you could go to Denner who are offering a 5chf discount on the vignette if you spend 100chf or more. Not difficult at this festive time of year, just get 12-14 cases of wine and bob's your uncle
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Re: Swiss Autobahn Vignette

If you absolutely MUST drive through Switzerland, simply don't take the Autobahn across the border. Smaller Bundes- or Hauptstrasse crossings don't worry about whether you have a vignette, as the vignette only matters for Autobahn driving. Then you can get back on the Autobahn a few miles down the road.

If you're going through Basel, the checkpoint is a mess anyhow. Would suggest getting off an exit or two early and crossing at Weil am Rhein. Same goes for when you drive into Italy...if you're going through Chiasso, take the Bundesstrasse that leads north to the St. Gotthard pass (obviously south towards Como).

Just don't speed, and you'll be fine, as the police rarely check within their own borders. The only idiots who get caught without a vignette on the CH Autobahn are Germans who get clocked doing 200 km/h...and those stories make the newspaper in certain villages.


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Great info here. Thank you all. I'm going to start a new thread about the trip through the alps...
Thanks again, this has been very helpful!
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Old 12.12.2007, 22:56
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Re: Swiss Autobahn Vignette

Great advice.... ....unless you get stopped at a checkpoint as you drive down the slip road onto the autobahn! In which case your screwed.

Take the hit, buy the vignette its only 40CHF or something like that and it solves quite a bit of a headache if you do get caught.
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If you absolutely MUST drive through Switzerland, simply don't take the Autobahn across the border. Smaller Bundes- or Hauptstrasse crossings don't worry about whether you have a vignette, as the vignette only matters for Autobahn driving. Then you can get back on the Autobahn a few miles down the road.

If you're going through Basel, the checkpoint is a mess anyhow. Would suggest getting off an exit or two early and crossing at Weil am Rhein. Same goes for when you drive into Italy...if you're going through Chiasso, take the Bundesstrasse that leads north to the St. Gotthard pass (obviously south towards Como).

Just don't speed, and you'll be fine, as the police rarely check within their own borders. The only idiots who get caught without a vignette on the CH Autobahn are Germans who get clocked doing 200 km/h...and those stories make the newspaper in certain villages.


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Once or twice a year the Swiss cops seal off the entire highway in various locations and check for vignettes amongst other things.

40 CHF a year just isn't worth the hassle - you'd probably spend that in detour fuel.

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Old 13.12.2007, 01:38
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Re: Swiss Autobahn Vignette

yeah, i guess it depends on your appetite for risk...i've done it many a time with german rental cars, and i've never run into problems...just doesn't seem to make any logical sense to buy a CHF40 vignette for one day's drive through the country.

the math:
number of times they check for vignettes per year: 2 = 0.5% (2/365)
number of on-ramps they close off: let's say 1 in 10 (which requires a lot of police manpower)
fine for no vignette: CHF100 + cost of vignette (CHF40)
at any day, you put 8 rappen at risk...


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Once or twice a year the Swiss cops seal off the entire highway in various locations and check for vignettes amongst other things.

40 CHF a year just isn't worth the hassle - you'd probably spend that in detour fuel.
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Old 13.12.2007, 10:06
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Re: Swiss Autobahn Vignette

I tend to agree with you - it is all a matter of risk vs cost. I often follow the same principle when it comes to parking. Wht also matters is how easy it is to get access to the vignette. For Austria e.g. it is a real pain to be on the high-way and suddenly realize you're approaching the border, it's mile-long lines and you know you have to start searching for a place to buy the vignette.

Anyway, I rather like the Swiss concept. 40 CHF is peanuts for the right to use the highway a full year if you live in the country and use the car every day. For someone coming just once it is still reasonable and the country get money for its infrastructure. Think it is a lot better than the high-way tolls you see in other parts of Europe.

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yeah, i guess it depends on your appetite for risk...i've done it many a time with german rental cars, and i've never run into problems...just doesn't seem to make any logical sense to buy a CHF40 vignette for one day's drive through the country.

the math:
number of times they check for vignettes per year: 2 = 0.5% (2/365)
number of on-ramps they close off: let's say 1 in 10 (which requires a lot of police manpower)
fine for no vignette: CHF100 + cost of vignette (CHF40)
at any day, you put 8 rappen at risk...


I'll take my chances...
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Re: Swiss Autobahn Vignette RESULT

Ladies and Gentleman

I thank you all! The key word is HEAT:

Last year 40 minutes
This year 15 minutes

Tools:

1. Swissair Penknife (1989 Edition)
2. 2 small Heat Packs (freebies from the BMW stand at the Car Show, no I don't have a BMW! )
3. Fat Remover liquid
  • Sliced the old Vignette from top right to bottom left and vice-versa
  • Applied the heat packs, held for 5-7 minutes
  • Pealed off nicely
  • Cleaned up with the fat remover.
  • Applied new Vignette.
All done!

(Now to get a Tattoo to celebrate - see my other thread!)

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Re: Swiss Autobahn Vignette RESULT

My solution:
  • 4 francs for razor-blade based remover from the garage (in 1999; re-used)
  • 20 seconds to remove old one
  • do not clean area
  • take new vignette and stick to whatever trousers I am wearing a couple of times
  • apply new vignette to the same spot as the old one with light pressure (not 200000psi!!)
  • drink at least 2 of oldmanc's beers whilst waiting for him to finish ()
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yeah, i guess it depends on your appetite for risk...i've done it many a time with german rental cars, and i've never run into problems...just doesn't seem to make any logical sense to buy a CHF40 vignette for one day's drive through the country.

the math:
number of times they check for vignettes per year: 2 = 0.5% (2/365)
number of on-ramps they close off: let's say 1 in 10 (which requires a lot of police manpower)
fine for no vignette: CHF100 + cost of vignette (CHF40)
at any day, you put 8 rappen at risk...


I'll take my chances...
Your math is right, assuming your figures are. Which they aren't.
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Old 31.12.2007, 11:33
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  • take new vignette and stick to whatever trousers I am wearing a couple of times
Just not leather ones otherwise you'll have to stick them to the windscreen instead...
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My solution:
  • 4 francs for razor-blade based remover from the garage (in 1999; re-used)
  • 20 seconds to remove old one
  • do not clean area
  • take new vignette and stick to whatever trousers I am wearing a couple of times
  • apply new vignette to the same spot as the old one with light pressure (not 200000psi!!)
  • drink at least 2 of oldmanc's beers whilst waiting for him to finish ()
Same method for me but with a massive 4 CHF saving due to using the ceramic hob scraper thingy that came with the house .
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Old 31.12.2007, 11:48
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Just not leather ones otherwise you'll have to stick them to the windscreen instead...
Damn, you could have warned me before I knackered my shiny PVC hotpants I got for Xmas...
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Re: Swiss Autobahn Vignette RESULT

It beats your suggestion of using a 400 metre extension lead to use SWMBO's hairdryer to melt it off...

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  • 4 francs for razor-blade based remover from the garage (in 1999; re-used)
  • 20 seconds to remove old one
  • do not clean area
  • take new vignette and stick to whatever trousers I am wearing a couple of times
  • apply new vignette to the same spot as the old one with light pressure (not 200000psi!!)
  • drink at least 2 of oldmanc's beers whilst waiting for him to finish ()
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It beats your suggestion of using a 400 metre extension lead to use SWMBO's hairdryer to melt it off...
...because only I thought that was funny
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Damn, you could have warned me before I knackered my shiny PVC hotpants I got for Xmas...
Well, you could see it as an alternative to fluffy dice, plus it could prove to be a great talking point if you are ever pulled over by the bizzies.
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Re: Swiss Autobahn Vignette

Not surprised by that. Last time I checked the fine was 100 + the cost of a vignette, so I assume my frequency assumptions were off -- just wanted to put together a hypothetical situation.

Even if they check 10 times as often, or if they close off every single off-ramp once or twice a year, you're in good shape statistically if you're driving through the country or don't drive often. Just avoid major autobahn border crossings.

Although honestly, I doubt any calculations will (or should) convince someone to forgo buying a vignette. They simply serve as a rationalization behind me never getting one...


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Your math is right, assuming your figures are. Which they aren't.
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