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Slippery Albis Pass (Langnau)

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watch out on the Albis Pass if going via two wheels as they've done something to the road which makes it slippery as hell so be very careful.

i was going over it again today, in the dry, and slipping all over the place.

it seems they have put lots of small strips of tar all over the road, expecially in the corners which has made it really slippery. it wont be long before someone comes off!

im actually thinking of complaining to Kanton Zurich / Langnau Gemeinde as its a death trap.
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All,

watch out on the Albis Pass if going via two wheels as they've done something to the road which makes it slippery as hell so be very careful.

i was going over it again today, in the dry, and slipping all over the place.

it seems they have put lots of small strips of tar all over the road, expecially in the corners which has made it really slippery. it wont be long before someone comes off!

im actually thinking of complaining to Kanton Zurich / Langnau Gemeinde as its a death trap.
Absolutely, you should. They may not realize that.

Thanks for the info. I go accross there sometimes. Guess it's noticable in a car too.
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Re: Slippery Albis Pass (Langnau)

i noticed it too some weeks ago. maybe it's done on purpose as it not really nice anymore to drive a motorcycle there
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Re: Slippery Albis Pass (Langnau)

I'm sure it's done on purpose. Complaining is useless, they've put up some "slippery signs" to be on their "safe side".
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Re: Slippery Albis Pass (Langnau)

AFAIK they put slippery signs on every bend (after a friend of mine complaint just after they put the strips on a month ago).

Are they still there?

I do not know if you could do more as it is your duty to adapt the speed to road condition. As you know we are not a nanny state.
The next step they make would be to lower the speed limit.

Still, I also hate tar snakes, there are some nasty one when you use the old road during summer down from San Bernardino village .

Before you complain to the relevant authorities (Albis pass is a canton road):
https://tba.zh.ch/internet/baudirekt...austellen.html
https://www.kapo.zh.ch/internet/sich...llgemein4.html

Better get in contact with the Swiss Motorcycling Federation
https://www.swissmoto.org/de/verkehr...eit/kommission
(Send inquiry to Othmar Klopfstein and Peter Frei)
and/or the IG-Motorrad
http://www.ig-motorrad.ch/de/kontakt/kontaktformular

And find out:
- Was the work done to standard and regulations?
- Are this tar snakes exceptionally slippery or in the norm?
- What apart from lowering the speed limit can be done to increase safety?
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Old 19.05.2018, 12:24
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Re: Slippery Albis Pass (Langnau)

Interesting. Hadn't heard of tar snakes before - I actually thought it was a cheap way to fix roads and wondered that we do this here too now

Just checked the internet about it. Good information, thanks aSitUS.
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Re: Slippery Albis Pass (Langnau)

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I also hate tar snakes, there are some nasty one when you use the old road during summer down from San Bernardino village.
Indeed, but they've been there for decades, and can mostly be avoided.

What can't be avoided, except by waiting for the correct weather, is the dust in the Dolomites that happens during dry periods, sticks to your tires and keeps them from sticking to the road or even heating up (same problem happened in Tyrol going up the Grossglockner), two wheel slides are NOT fun!

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Re: Slippery Albis Pass (Langnau)

Forget the considerate approach. It is now in the Blick:
https://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/to...id8395564.html

Intersting how a curve at the other side of the world looks like one at the Albis.
https://motorbikewriter.com/dangerou...ks-repair-win/
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Re: Slippery Albis Pass (Langnau)

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Forget the considerate approach. It is now in the Blick:
https://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/to...id8395564.html

Intersting how a curve at the other side of the world looks like one at the Albis.thttps://motorbikewriter.com/dangerou...ks-repair-win/
So I was right after all. ROFL.
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<<Die Passstrasse ist nämlich übersät mit Rissen, die nur notdürftig mit Guss-Teer geflickt sind.>>
'The mountain pass road is covered with cracks, simply patched up with liquid tar crack sealant'.

As this is not only on the Albit but everywhere, that leads to the question: What do they do with all the money they keep claiming they need from drivers for the roads?!

As a friend used to say, when I drove him around here: "come in Albania".
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Re: Slippery Albis Pass (Langnau)

I find the appearance of tar snakes here very disappointing, as it was a HUGE irritation to me in the States and it was one of the many things I thought I left behind.

I wish that the road contractors would understand how using such cheap repair processes is so dangerous for us.
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Re: Slippery Albis Pass (Langnau)

Slated for repair, as the article says.

Estimated Time of Completition: Autumn 2018.
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Re: Slippery Albis Pass (Langnau)

I cycled over the Albispass quite a few times last summer and never noticed that the road was in particularly bad quality? Although that is possibly due to my trying to avoid dying (for different reasons on the way up and down).

So regarding two wheels, is this just a motorbike thing or is it impossible to cycle now also?
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Re: Slippery Albis Pass (Langnau)

Was there and examined the thing myself in broad daylight or as the Romans said: Veni, vidi, slippi.

Tar Snakes hits the nail on the head or as we say in German, the have literally "faustdick aufgetragen". This so called repair must have been paid by the liter of tar used. Its a spongy, putty like substance and not like the usual repairs of small cracks. Slippery yes, but if one drives with considered speed a bit of slide is not much of a problem. Still, if unexpected and unexperienced one may have a closer look at the local fauna.

@the_flag_is_a_big_plus Do not know how it is for you thin wheelers and rubber sniffers. But at least for you it will not be a problem up hill
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Old 21.05.2018, 10:08
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Re: Slippery Albis Pass (Langnau)

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Was there and examined the thing myself in broad daylight or as the Romans said: Veni, vidi, slippi.

Tar Snakes hits the nail on the head or as we say in German, the have literally "faustdick aufgetragen". This so called repair must have been paid by the liter of tar used. Its a spongy, putty like substance and not like the usual repairs of small cracks. Slippery yes, but if one drives with considered speed a bit of slide is not much of a problem. Still, if unexpected and unexperienced one may have a closer look at the local fauna.

@the_flag_is_a_big_plus Do not know how it is for you thin wheelers and rubber sniffers. But at least for you it will not be a problem up hill
Problem is, I passed that pass on daily basis for more than a decade. Often at night. I do it in my sleep. Without this thread it could have turned into a (last) nightmare.
I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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Its a spongy, putty like substance and not like the usual repairs of small cracks. Slippery yes, but if one drives with considered speed a bit of slide is not much of a problem.
Not just speed, but in my experience both the wet and the extreme heat will cause even greater slickness. Simply having the bike leaned over when the wheel slides off the tar snake and abruptly hits pavement again is enough to cause a bit of a pucker
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Re: Slippery Albis Pass (Langnau)

Decided to check out the Albis the other day, instead of going through the Sihltalstrasse.
Yep, this is BAD. They put up about six "risk of skidding"-signs - which is a joke as it's everywhere, not only where indicated and partly over wide areas. At one point I could even feel it on the back wheel of the car!

A friend who lives in the area said, there are rumours they did this on purpose, as people were complaining about the amount of bikes passing.
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