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Old 09.07.2018, 11:49
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The person which registers the bike does not have to be the owner. Nor the driver, nor actually be able to drive the bike themselves (or any other vehicle).
Or even be in Switzerland.

My younger daughter had a scooter (which I used in Trieste) and a car (which my other daughter used in BE) registered in her name (in TI) while she was living in LA, and didn't have a license for either.

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Old 09.07.2018, 13:59
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Don't go getting ideas...
Thinking about it: Give me a 1000ccm bike (which I have no licence for), put me on it in a 30-zone for the first time and they will probably blizz me at at least a 120km/h.

The first time I rode a simple moped at the age of 11, the thing reared up like a horse and they shouted after me "don't you dare come home injured" - the things people say when worried.
(I didn't and no 30-zones back in them days).
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and they shouted after me "don't you dare come home injured" - the things people say when worried.
(I didn't and no 30-zones back in them days).
Didn't come home?

If I were on that bike, they'd shoot the bike alone, I'd be on the ground somewhere far away.
Not sure if letting the bikes ride themselves at 120km/h without a driver is a problem in Switzerland...
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The answers so far match what I've heard from other people, that swiss police doesn't hesitate to fine people just by looking at the motorbike plates.

What if a single bike is shared by spouses? or a friend wants to learn driving and does something that should go into the criminal record?
Does it mean the bike owner needs to guarantee their own alibi?
Someone has to carry the can. One of:
- The registered keeper (always one name)
- Any other rider/driver requires the keeper's consent so the keeper should know. Between spouses surely you'd recognise who it was
- If they don't know, then clearly the bar steward who nicked it but you'll have a police report, right?

Just like the UK and others
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Didn't come home?

If I were on that bike, they'd shoot the bike alone, I'd be on the ground somewhere far away.
Not sure if letting the bikes ride themselves at 120km/h without a driver is a problem in Switzerland...
LOL, I did come home.

Naaa, you see, I got this thing about hanging on/keeping on it. No matter what - bikes, horses ..... my only downfall are apparently bellicons.
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My question is, how exactly do they find the person responsible for speeding?
Is the fact that the bike is registered to my friend enough to determine that he is responsible for the terrible act of speeding in a 30-zone?
Will they try to see his face on the photo? What if on the photo he's wearing a black jacket and a helmet, and all bikers look alike in their black jackets and helmets?
Of course a foto with an identifiable face is preferred but this seems to not be necessary.

According to this article by the Beobachter (see "Aber aufgepasst: ..."), even if the face on the foto is unrecognisable you can't all of a sudden deny having driven yourself, you need to have done so from the start in order for that to be accepted. But if you do, you must name the culprit (unless it's a family member).

Also see this federal court ruling, especially paragraph 2.6 of the deliberations ("Erwägungen"). The case/appeal is on radar pictures taken at 02:18 AM. The face in the picture from the front shows an unrecognisable face because the sun shield(word?) covers the upper half of his face. The fact that the face is unrecognisable is brushed aside based on the reasoning that, at that daytime the sun shield could only have the purpose of making the the driver's face unrecognisable. However, since no party claimed or showed that someone else was driving, it is perfectly fine to assume that the defendant was indeed the driver.
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Re: Motorbikes and fines

My company owns a bike and a visiting guest ran a red light..
I had to prove beyond doubt it was not me.. This was only done
by the person who drive it that day fessing up he was at fault..
Took a lot of time and eventually settled 8 months later..

Thats just a small fine. I would hate to think what would happen
if someone speeds... might consider selling the bike sheesh..
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