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Failed 4th driving test - need to wait 2 years

I came to Switzerland 7 years ago and 2 years ago I decided to exchange my Russian driving license (which I've had for 9 years by now).

I took around 50 driving lessons with an instructor, but failed 3 practical exams every time for new reasons (did not have a full stop at the stop sign, was going too slow/too fast, did not notice the sign that the lane is for buses only, etc.)

Then I went to Idiotentest, which I passed

After that I had a 4th practical exam attempt which I failed as well. They took away my learner's driving license and I've got a paper from the police saying I'm not allowed to drive anything with an engine in it (!) for 2 years. In August 2020 I will be allowed to go to psychiatrist (costs 1600 CHF as far as I'm aware), and if he's fine (or rather I'm fine), can start the whole process of applying for the next learning license.
The letter also said that I can appeal.
Has anyone been in such situation before? Did you appeal and how did it go?

With my Russian driving license I can drive everywhere apart from Switzerland (which I do with pleasure several times a year wherever I travel to) and my instructor is happy with my driving too and says that he did not expect at all me not passing. So I feel that the whole situation is a bit unfair.
And what is exactly the logic behind keeping me away from the car for 2 years?

I'm extremely sad - any smart comments about trams are unwelcome.
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Did you become nervous during the tests? What did your driving instructor say about the reasons for failing? Did he go into any details?
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Re: Failed 4th driving test - need to wait 2 years

Unfortunate story. Maybe change your instructor for next time. Choose a "hardass", who'll drill you to death with all the little details that they want to see at these tests.

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Re: Failed 4th driving test - need to wait 2 years

I always wondered who those idiotic drivers were in the mindless accidents on the Russian dashcam Youtube videos....
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Re: Failed 4th driving test - need to wait 2 years

Based on what you have said, I think an appeal would be a waste of time and money, going through the thread the failures seem to be a basic lack of attention, not seeing signs, not realising you are in a bus lane, not coming to a complete stop, the nice thing or the worst thing about Switzerland depending on your point if view is when it comes to rules they are very black and white there is no grey area, especially in a test situation.

Sorry not what you wanted to hear but the reason for failing jumps out quite consistently.

I would be curious to know if anything with an engine also includes an electric bike.
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What faults did you make the 4th time? If you have no proper reason to appeal it is a waste of time.
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Unfortunate story. Maybe change your instructor for next time. Choose a "hardass", who'll drill you to death with all the little details that they want to see at these tests.

Good luck!
I would not call the mentioned faults "little details", these are things that everybody should know and act to the moment they passed their theory. Missing signs and speeding has imho nothing to do with the instructor but all with the candidate.
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Did you become nervous during the tests? What did your driving instructor say about the reasons for failing? Did he go into any details?
Not doing a full stop or using a bus lane? There is nothing to be discussed, it is a sure fail.

A government decision always says that you can appeal, where, and by when it has been done. Even in a shut clear case.

PS: You can no longer legally drive in Germany. To drive in Germany you must be allowed to drive in your country of residence! If you are banned to drive in your country of residence (which you clearly are as your country of residence is Switzerland, and you have letter from the police stating you are banned to drive) you are also banned from driving in Germany.
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Re: Failed 4th driving test - need to wait 2 years

As always you study to pass the test, not to drive like a "normal" person.
Even then though, the faults you mentioned are things that a "normal" driver shouldn't do either, so a new instructor should be on the cards.

Did the instructor go through a dummy test with you at least once to get used to the test conditions?
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I do become very nervous when I have an expert watching my every move and commenting about me driving 58 instead of 50.
Now tell me that you have never exceeded 50 km/h in town.

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Not doing a full stop or using a bus lane? There is nothing to be discussed, it is a sure fail.

A government decision always says that you can appeal, where, and by when it has been done. Even in a shut clear case.

PS: You can no longer legally drive in Germany. To drive in Germany you must be allowed to drive in your country of residence! If you are banned to drive in your country of residence (which you clearly are as your country of residence is Switzerland, and you have letter from the police stating you are banned to drive) you are also banned from driving in Germany.
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thanks a lot about this, did not know about Germany. guess there might be a full list of such countries then, where I cannot drive. hmmm

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I do become very nervous when I have an expert watching my every move and commenting about me driving 58 instead of 50.
Now tell me that you have never exceeded 50 km/h in town.
The people who drive above 50 in town have passed their test and are willing to break the rules and hopefully they're willing to accept the fines as well.

For the test you must follow the rules. Then once you have your licence you can do what everybody else does and complain about being caught doing something you shouldn't have been doing.
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thanks a lot about this, did not know about Germany. guess there might be a full list of such countries then, where I cannot drive. hmmm
Germany is the only country which I know of which has such a rule. For example Switzerland does not have such a rule for non-resident drivers from abroad, they just need a valid driving license. You would have to check the actual law of the country where one intends to drive if you just need a valid driving license or a driving license which is valid in the country of residence.
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Most of the time we've been driving on more or less the same routes with my driving instructor. So every time I go with an expert there will be the place I've never been before.

My instructor has been also teaching more than 15 people I know and they all passed.

I guess I'll change the driving instructor in 2 years then. No, we did not have a "dummy" exam before the real exams, but I guess this is not important anymore.

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Germany is the only country which I know of which has such a rule. For example Switzerland does not have such a rule for non-resident drivers from abroad, they just need a valid driving license. You would have to check the actual law of the country where one intends to drive if you just need a valid driving license or a driving license which is valid in the country of residence.
Clear, thanks.

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Not doing a full stop or using a bus lane? There is nothing to be discussed, it is a sure fail.

A government decision always says that you can appeal, where, and by when it has been done. Even in a shut clear case.

PS: You can no longer legally drive in Germany. To drive in Germany you must be allowed to drive in your country of residence!
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Yeah, I know. However, I passed first time (not in CH, mind) and in the first few minutes of the test, I slowed down to a crawl at a stop sign but failed to stop. Cursing myself and knowing I had failed, I relaxed and treated the test as another lesson and went on to drive without any mistakes, handling two road hazards really well. The instructor told me I passed despite my early fault and commented on my good judgement and skill as a driver. I put that down to being relaxed, not nervous.

All moot, as I didn't do my test in CH.
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I do become very nervous when I have an expert watching my every move and commenting about me driving 58 instead of 50.
Now tell me that you have never exceeded 50 km/h in town.
Maybe we do, but not in a test situation, lucky you didn't flashed by camera and get a fine as well as failing the test,
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I do become very nervous when I have an expert watching my every move and commenting about me driving 58 instead of 50.
Now tell me that you have never exceeded 50 km/h in town.
It sounds harsh but a test candidate letting the speedo creep up to 58 in a 50 zone and the examiner turning a blind eye would be extremely neglectful on the part of the examiner.

Of course people drive a bit over or under the speed limit every day but on a driving test you need to be seen to demonstrate you have roadcraft and observance of the rules otherwise what's the point of the test?
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Maybe we do, but not in a test situation, lucky you didn't flashed by camera and get a fine as well as failing the test,
fine for 58 km/h? really?
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I do become very nervous when I have an expert watching my every move and commenting about me driving 58 instead of 50.
Now tell me that you have never exceeded 50 km/h in town.
You have a worse problem then just making a driving failure. How can you expect it to be normal to overspeed during a practical exam? and if you can't handle somebody mentioning that you make mistakes than you should have worked on that before going into the next test again.

And yes I've and almost all others driven to fast hundreds of times throughout our life, however not during the practical exam, also we stopped where we had to, and we did not use the buslane.
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fine for 58 km/h? really?
You can't be serious.
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I do become very nervous when I have an expert watching my every move and commenting about me driving 58 instead of 50.
Now tell me that you have never exceeded 50 km/h in town.
The thing is, not only do you need to be a good driver, you need to follow the rules. Making one mistake is one thing, but you're making too many.

Are you sure you are a good driver?
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