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Polish cat. B, french A1 - driving mortorbike in Suisse

Hello everybody,

I decided to write here since I am getting different information from many sources and I am completely lost what is true.

My objective: drive a motorbike (125cc, allowed usually to drive with cat. A1) in France AND Switzerland (I live close to the border, but on a french side).

I have a polish licence cat. B and can easily do A1 in France (8h hours of driving, no exam), but unfortunately some people informed me that with this combination I will only be allowed to drive in France, not in Switzerland. For driving in Switzerland I need to do almost the same as for A2 which means I have to do all exams, theory, practice etc. and pay around 2000 euros for the whole thing.
Now here comes the contradictions, I know somebody who have done only 8h practic in France and is driving Yamaha 125cc in both countries (maybe it is pure lack that she was not checked).
If I have a permission in France to drive a vehicle with specific limitation (for engine power) why I am not allowed to pass through Switzerland?

Can anybody has some experience with similar case or any advices were I can ask to be sure?

Thank a lot!
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Re: Polish cat. B, french A1 - driving mortorbike in Suisse

A1 in Switzerland is a Motorcycle with max. 125 cmm and max. 11 kW (if you are 18 or older) https://www.admin.ch/opc/fr/classifi...247/index.html . Same as in France https://www.service-public.fr/partic...osdroits/F2832 (except with a france A1 you could drive a trike up to 15 kW, I think in Switzerland that would need a B1, but that is included in B) If your motorbike meets this criteria and you have a French A1 license you are good. Switzerland, unlike France has no wight/power limit. Which means it is rather likely that a Swiss A1 motorcylce might not be driven with solely A1 in France than vice versa.

Also, some older 125 ccm bikes model , like a Cgiva Mito, Yamaha DT, or Honda NSR might have more power than 11kW. Those would need an A2 (France) or A 35kW (Switzerland) license at least.
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Re: Polish cat. B, french A1 - driving mortorbike in Suisse

Thank you so much for fast replay and good news.
It is hard for me to believe though, because the drving school and the guy in a Yamaha shop told me that I need A2 for Swizerland.

I think I will try to get the confirmation info also from proper institution in Geneva. Or just ask the random swiss policeman, he should now for sure since he is the one giving the fines

If anybody else would like to share some comment, please do so.
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Re: Polish cat. B, french A1 - driving mortorbike in Suisse

The one I want to buy is exactly this one:
https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk/produ...turestechspecs

so it is allowed.

If I will have more info about I will be glad to share the right answer for this problem with the rest of people here.
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Re: Polish cat. B, french A1 - driving mortorbike in Suisse

Why is it hard to believe? The law as stated here by aSwissInTheUS is very clear on this.

A1 and at least 18 yrs old means max 11kW and max 125CC in France and Switzerland (AFAIK also the whole of the EU)

The bike you want to buy is 125CC and 7.5kW so perfectly fine.

If anyone tells otherwise ask them to state why they think so and after this do correct them so they do not other people into gaining a license which is not needed.
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Re: Polish cat. B, french A1 - driving mortorbike in Suisse

What I meant by saying hard to believe is that people who should actually now the topic, because of their profession, they give the wrong information.

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If I will have more info about I will be glad to share the right answer for this problem with the rest of people here.
Here a lot more info, regulations, international treaties, and link to the relevant authorities where you might ask further questions: https://www.englishforum.ch/2759075-post3.html

The only issue would be if you are bellow the age of 18. As the French A1 can be get without a restriction from age 16. But Swiss regulation even allows that for A1: Art. 43 OAC https://www.admin.ch/opc/fr/classifi...index.html#a43

PS: In Switzerland it is also just an 8 hours course and no exams for A1 if you already have B.
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Re: Polish cat. B, french A1 - driving mortorbike in Suisse

i am 26

thanks again!
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What I meant by saying hard to believe is that people who should actually now the topic, because of their profession, they give the wrong information.

Thanks a lot to all replies.
25 years ago a friend of mine worked at the tax helpdesk, after having done this for half a year he still came to me to help him with his yearly tax declaration (which was as default as they can get), my trust already was low, but after that moment sunk to incredible low, I like to see the rules and not only hear what somebody thinks are the rules.
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Re: Polish cat. B, french A1 - driving mortorbike in Suisse

that is why I was diging more and wrote here to gain another opinon.
The regulations in Suisse I can easily check, but it is not UE, so I thought there might be some more restrictions.

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Re: Polish cat. B, french A1 - driving mortorbike in Suisse

Hello again,

unfortunately I have a bad news. I have contacted swiss police and as long as I have an A1 confirmed on my driving licence there is no problem, but unfortunately with doing only 7 hours of practice in France I will not have it validated on my document, I will just receive a paper confirming my practice. And this is not enough for swiss authorities.

I found out also that in Switzerland, if you have a SWISS cat. B and you live there, you do 8 hours of practice, you go to the proper institution and they validate your A1 to drive all over the Europe. Since I am living in France maybe the same mechanism works here, but from what I know they will not put anything on the document, just a piece of paper. I will try to make sure.
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Re: Polish cat. B, french A1 - driving mortorbike in Suisse

Off course you cannot drive a bike, car, truck or whatever in foreign countries if you do not have a drivers license which allows for that specific class of vehicles, how could that even be a question? We all thought you were planning on achieving A1 after which every problem is solved. The Swiss don't care how many hours of practice, or what lessons and tests you had in France, all they care about is if you have a drivers license for your vehicle.
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Also, some older 125 ccm bikes model , like a Cgiva Mito, Yamaha DT, or Honda NSR might have more power than 11kW. Those would need an A2 (France) or A 35kW (Switzerland) license at least.
Please do not forget the king of the 2 stroke 125s, the Aprillia RS125. Which used to be many a persons first A1 licenced bike unitl the police started enforcing the power limit and not just the capacity.

I'm sure there are still a few around, the frames anyways, the engines tended to be revved a little hard and crap themselves on a regular basis.
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Re: Polish cat. B, french A1 - driving mortorbike in Suisse

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I found out also that in Switzerland, if you have a SWISS cat. B and you live there, you do 8 hours of practice, you go to the proper institution and they validate your A1 to drive all over the Europe. Since I am living in France maybe the same mechanism works here, but from what I know they will not put anything on the document, just a piece of paper. I will try to make sure.
Not just Swiss cat. B, it's about wether you have Swiss driving license card. I exchanged my Polish driving license for Swiss one but unlikely in Poland, here I cannot drive A1 bikes with B, the 8h school is necessary. Some of my colleagues did it, I'm too lazy
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