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Manual gearbox conversions and MFK's

Has anyone converted an automatic to a manual gearbox for use in Switzerland?

Possibly quite likely on something like a Gallardo, where you might simply need to junk some electronics and fit a 3rd pedal?

Was there a problem at the MFK? Did you need to tell anyone, or just turn up for an MFK as usual?

The car is question is a VW Lupo with an automated manual transmission, so others that do the conversion in Germany etc don't need to swap out the transmission for example, just re-prorgam the ECU, bin some electronics, and fit standard Lupo parts where the clutch pedal and stick goes.
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Re: Manual gearbox conversions and MFK's

a lupo? wouldn't it be easier just to buy a manual lupo? i could understand for a 993 or something, but a lupo?
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Re: Manual gearbox conversions and MFK's

I did it to a VW Beetle back in '81, but that was in the US.

One of the most expensive jobs I ever did, paid my food and rent for several months. 20 hours, plus several hundred on the used parts I sourced.

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Re: Manual gearbox conversions and MFK's

the transmission type is not on the grey card. you may very well get away with it.
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the transmission type is not on the grey card. you may very well get away with it.
Actually, it is.

It is coded in the type approval.

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Re: Manual gearbox conversions and MFK's

I was so hoping this was for an Aston Martin Works job for a Vanquish with a stupid gearbox...


Please do let us how this goes, I love E46 M3s, I'd like to own one some day, and it would be considerably easier if I could fix an SMG
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it would be considerably easier if I could fix an SMG
My experience is that one doesn't fix SMGs or Selespeeds. One runs the software band adjustment procedure, replaces the sensors or hydraulic pump/accumulator, tries filling it with a different oil, then ultimately... sells or scraps the car.

Robot transmissions are great when they work, but when they develop an intermittent fault there's about a 10% chance that they're just simply unfixable.

(Give me a Hewland any day.)
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Re: Manual gearbox conversions and MFK's

Don't see it for a Lupo, for an E46 M3 SMG either, if manuals are so readily available.


That said, after a lifetime of manuals, in 2005 I bought an E46 M3 SMG new and love it to this day, even after having passed through and survived some of Jag's flag points.
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My experience is that one doesn't fix SMGs or Selespeeds. One runs the software band adjustment procedure, replaces the sensors or hydraulic pump/accumulator, tries filling it with a different oil, then ultimately... sells or scraps the car.

Robot transmissions are great when they work, but when they develop an intermittent fault there's about a 10% chance that they're just simply unfixable.

(Give me a Hewland any day.)
Exactly.

However in the case of the Lupo, which was one of the first with a robot, you can simply unbolt the robot, swap the ECU with a manual 1.4 or reflash what you have, and bolt on a stick without removing the transmission or engine. No more hydraulic oil leaks and software calibration procedures. A simple cable clutch like the other happy Lupos.

The big question is what will the inspector with the clipboard and overalls say?
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My experience is that one doesn't fix SMGs or Selespeeds. One runs the software band adjustment procedure, replaces the sensors or hydraulic pump/accumulator, tries filling it with a different oil, then ultimately... sells or scraps the car.

Robot transmissions are great when they work, but when they develop an intermittent fault there's about a 10% chance that they're just simply unfixable.

(Give me a Hewland any day.)
By "fixing" I meant sticking a stick and taking out the pumps and rest of the BS. Single clutch robo gearboxes are crap for street applications. Not quick, not fun, not comfortable.
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Re: Manual gearbox conversions and MFK's

My fear with this is that somehow the paperwork could eclipse the spanner work by a significant margin.
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Exactly.


The big question is what will the inspector with the clipboard and overalls say?

May depend on whether whoever does the conversion can certify that it is now the other OEM. Could be the MFK misses VIN item and the conversion all together.
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Re: Manual gearbox conversions and MFK's

Hi guys,

Newcomer here. I saw this post and I was wondering the same thing, since I am going through the same kind of dilemma: the car I am able to afford is only available with e-Gear. The manuals are terribly overpriced.

A conversion, however, could most likely be afforded. But like the OP, my fear is that the red tape will turn out being more expensive than the wrenching.

So did you guys get any additional info regarding this topic?

Cheers
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Re: Manual gearbox conversions and MFK's

No good news. I know of one Swiss who converted his Lupo, then scrapped it when the paperwork got too much. When I enquired, before starting, I was told that I would need a letter from the manufacturer head office confirming that the car was now exactly to the specification of a manual car. I got the impression that the goal is to update the typenschine field 24 of the papers. However there isn't a typenschine for the manual version of this model that I know of. This was not just a request for an engineers report, that would not be acceptable, or an authorised dealer opinion. The problem I have is that this Lupo has several factory magnesium panels, wheels, sump, gearbox castings, drilled layshafts to save weight, other goodies, like alloy seat frames, alloy McPherson struts, aero mods, etc, that were not on any non e-gear Lupo. Ferdinand Peich of 917 development team fame personally oversaw development of this variant as well as the 917. Even the mirror internals are variant specific.

An Aston Martin converted by the factory with all paperwork, or a Lamborghini converted by the factory, a Pagani, those could work. No one cars if it is just a Lupo

I have met people at car meetings who have paid 150k+ chf, yes there is a K there , to get their very special car through. It is a lot of money, money that could have been better spent on the car, money that doesn't increase the car's global marketability, if anything, the fact you have had to spend that is viewed by some as a black mark. The process starts with a few K here and there, and you just get sucked in. It is a negative process that is an emotional and psychological drain, that leaves you scarred.

As ST4lemans said, the type coding, field 24 of the logbook, encodes the exact vehicle type. If the car is originally a Swiss market car, that is a pretty big stumbling block in my view. An import car can often have an X in that field 24. This happens if the exact model specification, and there are many with a model type, my Audi S6 was one, for example Gallardo suspension lift option would likely mean a different code. Combinations of options can get one code, Swiss pack, etc, not just model. Get a car with an X in field 24, converted before import, and you might be home and dry. No idea about this. Would be great if someone could confirm.

The only problem with conversion before import is that is when after 30 years you will want veteran status, the car goes through a certification process ensuring originality. If the car is say a Gallardo, then veteran status is not that far away, and does anyone know about manual conversions with veterans? Is the situation any easier or worse?

STVA are very likely to know that digit 8 of the Vin is the transmission code on a Lambo. Inspectors might even be split into Marque specialists, I suspect cars are not randomly assigned to inspectors can anyone confirm this? The inspector in Zug who went through my S6 really turned it on, very impressive and helpful actually, when he figured I was a petrol head doing my own prep work, saying that the tailgate latch was off a different model, it was OK, but the proper latch would have been slightly different.

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Hi guys,

Newcomer here. I saw this post and I was wondering the same thing, since I am going through the same kind of dilemma: the car I am able to afford is only available with e-Gear. The manuals are terribly overpriced.

A conversion, however, could most likely be afforded. But like the OP, my fear is that the red tape will turn out being more expensive than the wrenching.

So did you guys get any additional info regarding this topic?

Cheers
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