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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France in a year or ten...

a) It's not soon, it's more than a year in the future, aka post Brexit and then some

b) It's nothing new, Germany, France and Austria have had such rules for years

c) If it has the snowflake symbol, it is a homologated winter tire, period. I doubt anybody sells M&S tires without that symbol anymore (except perhaps in France)

d) If you keep posting nonsense, expect to get groaned

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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France in a year or ten...

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a) It's not soon, it's more than a year in the future
Sounds pretty soon to me. Certainly soon enough to be thinking ahead if one's needing to replace tyres in the near future.
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b) It's nothing new, Germany, France and Austria have had such rules for years
No, France has not. That's the whole point of the post, as it's a siginficant change to the rules. And nor has Switzerland, for that matter.
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c) If it has the snowflake symbol, it is a homologated winter tire, period. I doubt anybody sells M&S tires without that symbol anymore (except perhaps in France)
You doubt it, but in reality you have no actual knowledge. I do know that the tyres fitted on my Landrover, which are only a couple of years old, do indeed have M&S but no snowflake symbol, so they are clearly not approved as winter tyres and may fall foul of this new legislation. Oh, and they'd have been sourced in Switzerland.
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d) If you keep posting nonsense, expect to get groaned
If you keep jumping on perfectly reasonable posts for no apparent reason except ancient ill-feeling then expect to take an EF holiday.

I'm very grateful for the information posted by Odile, and I'm sure I'm not the only person for whom this may be important. In theory this means I'd need to replace the tyres on my Landrover, which I hadn't been thinking of at all. Will need to check again closer to the time exactly what decision they've made on snowflake symbol vs. M&S.

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Old 28.09.2018, 16:32
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

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M&S tyres are winter tyres, All season are M&S tyres. I wish you had put me in ignore as you claimed you would yesterday
Wrong. M&S marked tyres are not neceessarily winter tyres, as my own example ˆˆˆ and Odile's follow-up post clearly show.
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

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Wrong. M&S marked tyres are not neceessarily winter tyres, as my own example ˆˆˆ and Odile's follow-up post clearly show.



Ah, but we all know it's different in Ticino....
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Old 28.09.2018, 17:10
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

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Do you have an official link that 'all seasons' will be legal from 1st November 2019? Please.
Hmmmm, M&S apparently means mud and snow.
If they sell a tire to drive on in snow the profile gotta be deep and the rubber gotta be resistant to cold. To me that's a winter tire.
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Hmmmm, M&S apparently means mud and snow.
If they sell a tire to drive on in snow the profile gotta be deep and the rubber gotta be resistant to cold. To me that's a winter tire.
Well, I understand you. But the tyre suppliers we visited recently explained very clearly that this is not the case- especially at very cold temperatures rather than 'just' snow.

https://youtu.be/qfjWpx5Voz4

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Old 28.09.2018, 19:26
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

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Well, I understand you. But the tyre suppliers we visited recently explained very clearly that this is not the case- especially at very cold temperatures rather than 'just' snow.

https://youtu.be/qfjWpx5Voz4

https://youtu.be/EC1E2eDt1JY
I just had a look on https://www.reifendirekt.ch/cgi-bin/...Ang_pro_Seite=

I looked at 10 tyres even the cheapest & they all have the 3 mountain snow flake, so except for a Land Rover I doubt you will find a non winter tyre in classed as All Season. Sold in CH or the EU
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Old 28.09.2018, 19:35
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

Well that is great news then - if they have the official winter 3 mountain snowflake tyres logo- no problem, hurrah.
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

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Well that is great news then - if they have the official winter 3 mountain snowflake tyres logo- no problem, hurrah.
Well, that logo is printed on the side of the tire. So it will not keep you on the road. Your driving will.
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

a combination of both + experience for the best- but yes.
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Old 28.09.2018, 21:32
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France in a year or ten...

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I do know that the tyres fitted on my Landrover, which are only a couple of years old, do indeed have M&S but no snowflake symbol, so they are clearly not approved as winter tyres and may fall foul of this new legislation.
Fine, you buy crap tires.

But I clearly mentioned, as did FMF, the SNOWFLAKE SYMBOL!

And again, more than a year from now is hardly SOON.

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Old 28.09.2018, 21:49
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France in a year or ten...

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Fine, you buy crap tires.

But I clearly mentioned, as did FMF, the SNOWFLAKE SYMBOL!

And again, more than a year from now is hardly SOON.

Tom
So tomorrow I'll search my winter tyres for that symbol.

But I admit, if I can't find it I will still put those tyres on next month as I happily drove up and down the mountains with them last year.
Making use of this thread, winter 19 I will buy some with the symbol
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Old 28.09.2018, 21:51
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

Around here, people just use winter tires year round.

In Italy, they do the same, albeit with bald summer tires.

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Old 28.09.2018, 23:01
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

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Around here, people just use winter tires year round.

In Italy, they do the same, albeit with bald summer tires.

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I've done that too, when they were too low for an other winter but still not bad to drive.
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Fine, you buy crap tires.
Not me guv. They were on it when i bought it. And I doubt that they're crap, just designed for a purpose, which was driving through forests, judging by the overall state of the vehicle and the "Swiss Bois" sticker on the back of it.

These tyres are also labelled "light truck", but the point is simply that you suggested that all Mud and Snow tyres are also winter tyres, which is clearly not the case. I will probably stick with them for this coming winter, see how they go, but if the new French law requires proper winter ones is then a change next year may be called for.

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I looked at 10 tyres even the cheapest & they all have the 3 mountain snow flake, so except for a Land Rover I doubt you will find a non winter tyre in classed as All Season. Sold in CH or the EU
Point of order - I never suggested that these were all season tyres, just that they have the M&S symbol on them.
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Hmmmm, M&S apparently means mud and snow.

...and there i was thinking it meant Mud & Shit...
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...and there i was thinking it meant Mud & Shit...
Well, I had not heard of this and as I kind of doubted it meant Marks & Spencer, I googled it.
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

The OP Odile has not posted for a while, this is to update her thread.

France 3 posted the following article - "Contrary to what many Internet users claim on social networks, winter tyres will not be mandatory from November onwards. Not in the Alpine departments, nor in Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes and nowhere else in France.
The news spread like wildfire: winter tyres would be mandatory in 48 departments from 1 November to 31 March, under penalty of a fine. At least that's what many Facebook publications relayed tens of thousands of times but also blogs say. Problem: That's not true.
"Failure to comply with this law exposes you to a 4th class FINE (135 euros) and possible IMMOBILIZATION of the vehicle," several Internet users in Facebook publications worry. In the supposed list are many mountain departments including those of the Alps but also... all of Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes.
Although it exists, this system has not yet entered into force and its scope should be much more limited than what these Internet users claim. The "Mountain Law" of December 2016 introduced a new provision giving the prefect of the authority department to determine "the obligations to equip vehicles in winter". But implementing decrees are required for this provision to enter into force.
No such decree has been published in the Official Gazette. Road Safety, contacted on Wednesday 11 September, confirmed that "for the time being there is nothing, no new obligation, no sanctions or anything", in the absence of a decree. Moreover, not all the municipalities in the 48 departments in question will necessarily be affected by these measures: it is up to the prefects to draw up a precise list of the municipalities that are affected for each department. In Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, these lists have not yet been drawn up.
A first draft implementing decree proposes for holders of light vehicles not an obligation to be equipped with winter tyres but the possibility of having snow chains as an alternative. These provisions of the "Mountain Law", which are less restrictive than the elements mentioned in the erroneous publications, have not yet been applied."
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Old 16.09.2019, 18:52
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

I just bought all-season tires, complete with M+S and snowflake.

(the alternative was to get another set of winter tires and use them year round)

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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

Good to hear. I'd pretty much concluded that it must have been incorrect, after talking to a couple of French mechanics/tyre fitters. They were certain that no such obligation existed, so I'd already decided to stick with the M&S-but-no-snowflake tyres fitted on the Landy.

If/when they wear out I'll probably get a new set of more fancy wheels with more road-biased tyres for summer use and go with proper winter tyres on the existing (steel) wheels, just like we do on the other vehicles, not for legal reasons bu just because the current tyres really don't grip very well on icy surfaces, requiring the locked diff much more often than it should be needed.
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