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Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

... well from November 2019.

Pour la saison hivernale 2019/2020, les véhicules légers circulant en région montagneuse devront être équipés en pneumatiques hiver. La période s'étendra du 1er novembre au 31 mars.

For the winter season 2019/2020, vehicles circulating in mountain regions will have to be equipped with winter tyres- from 1st of November to 31st of March.

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Re: Snow tyres compulsory in France soon

Someone ought to fix the title to "Winter tyres compulsory in France soon".


There really shouldn't be any ambiguity in road safety announcements.
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Re: Snow tyres compulsory in France soon

More than a year from now isn't exactly 'soon'.

In norther Italy it's 15 November to 15 April, either winter tires mounted OR chains in the boot.

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Re: Snow tyres compulsory in France soon

How do they define "mountain regions"? Above a certain altitude?
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Re: Snow tyres compulsory in France soon

Was asking myself the same question ?
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Re: Snow tyres compulsory in France soon

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How do they define "mountain regions"? Above a certain altitude?
They will let you know when they fine you.

Driving with summer or ‘all-season’ tires/tyres in the mountains in winter is insane. Even on the motorways.
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It will be locally defined:

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The application period is already defined: from November 1 st to March 31 st . However, the geographical area will be at the discretion of departmental prefects according to a list of municipalities
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The French love to exaggerate. Probably any bump higher than 10 meter.
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Driving with summer or ‘all-season’ tires/tyres in the mountains in winter is insane. Even on the motorways.
All season tyres sold locally are M&S tyres so are perfectly legal.
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

Do you have an official link that 'all seasons' will be legal from 1st November 2019? Please.
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

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Do you have one that says that they won't be?

Modern all-season tires are ARE winter tires, and have the M&S and snowflake symbol to indicate that fact.

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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

No, I do not - but as not even the French GVT knows at this time- what will be accepted or not - so I wondered how FMF would know. They intend to conduct many tests this winter, and publish conclusions and decisions before Now 2019.

From Largus.fr:

Dans la question écrite au gouvernement, il est indiqué que « des tests sur routes enneigées seront conduits cet hiver pour évaluer les performances de pneus hiver selon différentes configurations de véhicules, de chargement et de routes, afin de compléter les connaissances actuelles sur leurs performances. Les obligations des véhicules en termes de détention ou port d’équipements seront précisées à la lumière des résultats de ces tests. »

'In the question written to the government, it is stated that 'tests on snowy roads will be condducted this winter to evaluate the performances of winter tyres, depending on the type of vehicle, load, roads, in order to add to the current knowledge re their performance. The new rules will be based on the results of those tests.'

Groan, Tom, really? I don't make the decisions, for sure.

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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

Ah Tom- and another groan - because the French Government has not made the decision yet ...

Where do you get the 800m from, TO, any link?
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

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There is nothing to decide, unless they do a Frogxit.

Winter tires are winter tires, and only EU rules matter.

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M&S tyres are winter tyres, All season are M&S tyres. I wish you had put me in ignore as you claimed you would yesterday
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

All this testing only to copy the rules from the neighbours? Sounds like government money being put to good use.
Now where did I leave my motorcycle winter tyres?
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These are not just tyres...
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Re: Winter tyres compulsory in France soon

We recently went shopping with several specialists for a new set of wheels and tyres for the new Subaru - and they were all very clear, that M&S tyres come in many guises ...

as clearly explained on the Goodyear site and so many others:

'The introduction of a legal marking related to performance has made the identification of winter tires more simple. The "Alpine" symbol, or the three-peak-mountain with snowflake (‘3PMSF’) came into force in November 2012 under EU Regulation 661/2009 on the Safety of Motor Vehicles. The 3PMSF can only be used if a tire passes a minimum required performance on snow - the so called “snow grip index”.*

“Mud and Snow” (either marked as M+S, M.S or M&S) has been used to indicate winter tires for many years. Although M+S has a legal definition*, it is not related to minimum performance requirements but has been widely used by tire manufacturers to indicate winter products. M+S remains a permitted marking but while M+S tires have better snow traction than regular tires, they do not necessarily pass the legal snow grip threshold. '

Probably why the French GVT has decided to do extensive tests before making a decision.

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Winter tyres mandatory in French Alps by 2019
New rules enforced from November 1st to March 31st each year

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Brian Kieran | Les Arcs Editor | Published: 28 Sep 2018



Winter tyres to be mandatory in French Alps Sam Medve


After the carnage on the roads over the winter of 2017/18 amid record breaking snow fall, authorities will make it illegal for light vehicles to travel in the French Alps without winter tyres from the start of the 2019/20 season.

The period for mandatory winter tyres has been set from November 1st to March 31st, but the geographical areas and altitudes where the order will apply will be at the discretion of local authorities in the municipalities affected by the new ruling. Which types of winter tyres will be deemed suitable (M+S or 3PMSF), or whether chains or snow socks will suffice, is still unknown.'

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Hurrah- some have Oktober fest, Fête des Vendanges, Absinthiades - and Tom has a groanfest - love it. Go on, give me another one dear - 2, 3, 10 - and hope it makes your day happy x
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