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Iím flabbergasted reading thru the entire thread and still can not comprehend it. Why oh why on earth Citroen? Really?

Might as well buy a bunch of lemons for my tea!
Hey! Be nice! I love my 2012 C1 with 180K kms. I've never had to do anything to it. It runs on practically no gas, or oil. The plates and insurance are cheap. It's adorable. I'm having a difficult time replacing it. Other cars will cost me much more to run.
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Hey! Be nice! I love my 2012 C1 with 180K kms. I've never had to do anything to it. It runs on practically no gas, or oil. The plates and insurance are cheap. It's adorable. I'm having a difficult time replacing it. Other cars will cost me much more to run.
Sounds like it is perfectly long-term parked in a backyard.
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Old 11.10.2018, 12:58
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We are all learning as we go along from our mistakes, don’t we? Some say marriage is like a cell phone package option: you marry - you take a signed contract, you date - you pay as you go or use prepaid.

Conflict free relationship would be unimaginably boring, that’s why some need to spice it up a bit sometimes if no natural challenges prevail. In fact, one needs element of challenge in every sphere of your life, whether it is in a work place or it is in a private life. If you have an immature people forming a couple - hell might break loose. However, mature people in the couple can resolve nearly every conflict. Ability to compromise is a key to every healthy relationship. Learning curve ahead.
Right. When life throws you lemons...we are back to CitroŽns, aren't we.

I know better ways to spice the life than conflicts, but essentially you are right.

Resolving is a weird word. It is always progress. Way forward. Love makes you want to have the other one happy, even if you disagree with their needs.
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Old 11.10.2018, 13:02
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Where can I print off my EF University psychology degree?

It would look great on the wall of the downstairs privy.
Indoor or outdoor privy ?
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Old 11.10.2018, 13:09
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Right. When life throws you lemons...we are back to CitroŽns, aren't we.

I know better ways to spice the life than conflicts, but essentially you are right.

Resolving is a weird word. It is always progress. Way forward. Love makes you want to have the other one happy, even if you disagree with their needs.
That’s an interesting debate. Often times, if you take perfectly sane people that are capable of compassion and understanding other’s needs (on a good sunny day and both being relaxed) they will be building a pedestal of roses together and love each other endlessly. On a crappy day like this, if one of the exact same partners is fatigued, stressed, depressed or had a bad day at work for sake of argument, then the things might escalate unpleasantly. It is difficult to always be nice, calm, tolerant, resistant and sensible. Daily life brings so many surprises that to be able to stay composed in almost every situation is not always possible. Some are susceptible to more mood swings. Bottom line it is never easy and hard to predict an outcome of every situation in life when both spouses are involved to define the fate.

Little silly car’s choice shouldn’t but unfortunately it can affect the balance in marriage ...
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Indoor or outdoor privy ?
Indoor! What kind of peasant do you take me for?

Mind, it isn't heated...
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Old 11.10.2018, 13:28
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Indoor! What kind of peasant do you take me for?

Mind, it isn't heated...
No chance of a stiff upper lips !!
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Indoor! What kind of peasant do you take me for?

Mind, it isn't heated...
I have shortly lost my writing ability. I am off to the loo .. but will be back.
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Sounds like it is perfectly long-term parked in a backyard.
Next to her motorcycle which she keeps near the trash bins!

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Back to basics, example of my 18-years old son who has recently passed his driving license exam and now is contemplating to get his first car.
My daughter got her license and car when she was living in the US.

Now that she is boomeranged, she first got the moped and now the '81 RS125!

And she's 25 1/2!

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Old 11.10.2018, 14:00
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My daughter got her license and car when she was living in the US.

Now that she is boomeranged, she first got the moped and now the '81 RS125!

And she's 25 1/2!

Tom
It is reasonable then that I suggested the 18 y/o to get reality check or to go fly a kite.
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It is reasonable then that I suggested the 18 y/o to get reality check or to go fly a kite.
My other daughter bought a used Opel Corsa for CHF 1600 when she got her license.

This one had a Firebird and a Jeep SUV!

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My other daughter bought a used Opel Corsa for CHF 1600 when she got her license.

This one had a Firebird and a Jeep SUV!

(in LA)

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My son adores M4 which he has almost test driven in St.Tropez. Luckily somebody sane quickly interfered and talked him out of it, justifying it that all the test drives were fully booked for the day. Needless to say we didn’t return on the next day

Now he said he would have settled for less e.g. old 325i 2006 E90.

I would rather have him focus on upcoming matriculation exam and then next few years of university. I didn’t drive cars like that until in my early 30’s. He told me that nowadays youth has different needs and the times have changed
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Old 11.10.2018, 14:21
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My son adores M4 which he has almost test driven in St.Tropez. Luckily somebody sane quickly interfered and talked him out of it, justifying it that all the test drives were fully booked for the day. Needless to say we didnít return on the next day

Now he said he would settle for less e.g. old 325i 2006 E90.

I would rather have him focus on upcoming matriculation exam and then next few years of university. I didnít drive cars like that until in my early 30ís. He told me that nowadays youth has different needs and the times have changed
How very modern tribe of him.

Yeah, well, I got a lecture on the importance of minimalism and ecology. Cool kids own only ten things. Mega expensive iconic ten things, mind you. The rest of the stuff they need is other people's stuff.
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Hey! Be nice! I love my 2012 C1 with 180K kms. I've never had to do anything to it.
Finally! Someone who isn't being dismissive of the marque.

OP's wife was very specific with her objections to the particular car she was gifted, and I agree with her that both points make driving unpleasant. Reversing sensors are a godsend when there are people (particularly little people) chattering in the car. I've even had them go off on a hire car when a cat ran across the rear whilst I was reverse parking.

For the OP, of the few dozen hire cars I've had over the last 2yrs, the one in the same category as the C4, that most impressed me, was the Vauxhall / Opel Mokka. It's an absolutely cracking car with great visibility (contrary to what you would expect looking at the design). I've done some serious motorway miles in Mokkas, and couldn't find a blindspot, which made changing lanes, an absolute dream, and many of those miles were with 2 child seats and a booster on the back seat. Also folded the back seat down and had 3 large suitcases in the back, with space for a 4th. I've had two different specs of the Mokka and would definitely go for the one that has a manual (physical) handbrake.
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How very modern tribe of him.

Yeah, well, I got a lecture on the importance of minimalism and ecology. Cool kids own only ten things. Mega expensive iconic ten things, mind you. The rest of the stuff they need is other people's stuff.
Well, he minimalised my budget on the last trip. He is a great guy and such a huge potential. I know he will be successful one day (which parent thinks otherwise about oneís child) but you have to also put into equation a small probability of failure in that age and have a plan B (e.g. postgrad degree), just in case
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Well, he minimalised my budget on the last trip. He is a great guy and such a huge potential. I know he will be successful one day (which parent thinks otherwise about one’s child) but you have to also put into equation a small probability of failure in that age and have a plan B (e.g. postgrad degree), just in case
You know the only thing you can do.

Be a role model yourself.

That's the only thing that works.

Same for SOs, really. Be a decent partner so you can expect it of others.

(No idea where French cars fall in that theory. I myself always liked beat up old Ford pick up trucks)
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You know the only thing you can do.

Be a role model yourself.

That's the only thing that works.

Same for SOs, really. Be a decent partner so you can expect it of others.

(No idea where French cars fall in that theory. I myself always liked beat up old Ford pick up trucks)
Prior departure, he asked me to rent a cabrio convenient for French Riviera’s weather and I rented Hundai i120 from Europcar. He uttered, he would never rent car like that
next time around.

Very true.

Passage comes to mind:
Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
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You think it's any easier for men?
I don't know, but it does seem a bit easier...

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Heh. But really, which would you prefer - someone buying you 'gifts' that are completely the wrong thing, or forcing you to participate in the choosing process?
I'm known to warn people when buying gifts - nothing expensive, if possible something they could make themselves, their time, disposition. I think OP wanted to make a nice gesture, but well...with cars is a bit more complicated. I was kidding when I said I would like someone else to decide for me, I kind of like to browse and take my time...am not sure if I took the best decision with mine, but you know, what is done is done.
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I don't know, but it does seem a bit easier...
I agree with you. There's still a 'machismo' around buying cars even though many people are just 'tyre kickers', and I've heard some blatantly sexist sales patter in my time.

As the daughter and granddaughter of a car mechanics who spent too much of the first 18yrs of her life on a garage, I'm the annoying brat who pops the bonnet and goes underneath the car before test driving it. I don't know a lot, but I know more than a lot of sales people.
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