Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Transportation/driving  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 20.01.2019, 19:27
Ace1's Avatar
A modal singularity
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Morgins, VS (and Alsace)
Posts: 8,721
Groaned at 352 Times in 225 Posts
Thanked 14,770 Times in 6,413 Posts
Ace1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
Still, I would prefer summer tyres when it is dry and cold. Winter tyres are superior in winter conditions, like snow and ice, but summer tyres are better in dry and rain conditions.
Quote:
View Post
But not if it's cold.
Quite so. It's not about the tread depth or pattern, but the compound from which the tyre is made. Normal (i.e. summer) tyres at low temperatures will be so solid that the carcass and tread is unable to move about, and it's this movement that helps a tyre to grip.

Tread patterns on some _snow_ tyres are (or at least used to be) designed to hold snow in the grooves and enable a snow-snow contact with can give more grip, but this clearly can only work where there's relatively fresh snow, and in any case the effect is very much secondary to that of the softer compound.
__________________
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 20.01.2019, 19:40
22 yards's Avatar
Only in moderation
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Basel-Land
Posts: 9,003
Groaned at 283 Times in 224 Posts
Thanked 19,064 Times in 7,531 Posts
22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
Average driving is around 10k km/year, so each 5 years that means very approximately 50k km, meaning 25k km per set of tyres.
Most people in the car industry here seem to quote 15,000 km as the average annual mileage. Of course, it varies wildly; we (two drivers) put 60,000 km on one car last year, 12,000 km on a second, and less than 1,000 km on the third.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank 22 yards for this useful post:
  #23  
Old 20.01.2019, 19:54
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 11,681
Groaned at 190 Times in 157 Posts
Thanked 13,163 Times in 6,862 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
Still, I would prefer summer tyres when it is dry and cold. Winter tyres are superior in winter conditions, like snow and ice, but summer tyres are better in dry and rain conditions.
If only one could put the on and off like shoes in the mornings

I usually leave the winter-tires on when I know they won't be good enough for the following winter.
In a summer like the last one, I might change my habit though.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 20.01.2019, 19:56
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
Most people in the car industry here seem to quote 15,000 km as the average annual mileage. Of course, it varies wildly; we (two drivers) put 60,000 km on one car last year, 12,000 km on a second, and less than 1,000 km on the third.

I was being conservative.....


A set of tyres lasts between 20-30k km depending on a whole lot of factors so the fact you need to change rubber every 5-6 years doesn't really matter as such as it is done anyway through normal usage
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 20.01.2019, 20:37
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Basel
Posts: 2,055
Groaned at 48 Times in 39 Posts
Thanked 1,245 Times in 745 Posts
Landers has a reputation beyond reputeLanders has a reputation beyond reputeLanders has a reputation beyond reputeLanders has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
Note, they are not Snow tyres they are Winter tyres. Once the temperature drops below 4c, or so, your summers will lose traction. You don8217;t need snow to become dangerous.



You make it sound as if as soon as it gets 4C the car will slide off the road :-)


BTW my summer tyres are at least ten years old and there's nothing wrong with them. My winters are like 9 years old and they still perform amazingly in cold or snowy conditions. No signs of cracking, hardening or distortion on any of them.


Austria and several other countries have a minimum tread depth for winter tyres so you need to be careful if you're heading out east.


BTW France has no requirement for winter tyres, but just like in Switzerland if you're heading out in wintery conditions it's best to be properly equipped.





All the requirements can be found very easily by using google.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 20.01.2019, 22:38
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 29,709
Groaned at 2,104 Times in 1,571 Posts
Thanked 35,471 Times in 16,836 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
Most people in the car industry here seem to quote 15,000 km as the average annual mileage. Of course, it varies wildly; we (two drivers) put 60,000 km on one car last year, 12,000 km on a second, and less than 1,000 km on the third.
I once went through 15 tires in one year!

(motorcycle tires, CHF 300 each!)

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 20.01.2019, 22:50
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 11,681
Groaned at 190 Times in 157 Posts
Thanked 13,163 Times in 6,862 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
I once went through 15 tires in one year!

(motorcycle tires, CHF 300 each!)

Tom
I hope you took notice of who produced the 16th and buy from them only now.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank curley for this useful post:
This user groans at curley for this post:
  #28  
Old 20.01.2019, 23:08
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 29,709
Groaned at 2,104 Times in 1,571 Posts
Thanked 35,471 Times in 16,836 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
I hope you took notice of who produced the 16th and buy from them only now.
They were mostly Michelin, with some Avon bias plys, as I recall.

4k km each, 3k km for the Avons (only one bike used the Avons).

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 21.01.2019, 00:14
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
They were mostly Michelin, with some Avon bias plys, as I recall.

4k km each, 3k km for the Avons (only one bike used the Avons).

Tom

So 15 tyres, each doing 4k km makes 60k km in one season on a bike .....
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 21.01.2019, 01:05
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 11,681
Groaned at 190 Times in 157 Posts
Thanked 13,163 Times in 6,862 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
So 15 tyres, each doing 4k km makes 60k km in one season on a bike .....
Provided the bike has only one wheel ....
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank curley for this useful post:
  #31  
Old 21.01.2019, 09:00
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
Provided the bike has only one wheel ....



Do front tyres wear that quickly on a bike ?
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 21.01.2019, 10:17
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 29,709
Groaned at 2,104 Times in 1,571 Posts
Thanked 35,471 Times in 16,836 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
Do front tyres wear that quickly on a bike ?
About 5-10% longer than the rear.

Tom
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #33  
Old 21.01.2019, 10:20
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 29,709
Groaned at 2,104 Times in 1,571 Posts
Thanked 35,471 Times in 16,836 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
So 15 tyres, each doing 4k km makes 60k km in one season on a bike .....
30k if tires fully consumed at the end of the year, 25k in practice.

Also, on 5 five bikes, one of which had 10k alone. (so 6 tires).

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 21.01.2019, 10:59
bigblue2's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Glarus
Posts: 8,086
Groaned at 486 Times in 405 Posts
Thanked 14,715 Times in 5,780 Posts
bigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

The only part of your car that touches the road is the tires, why would you risk driving around on 10yr old rubber?? or old winter tires???
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank bigblue2 for this useful post:
  #35  
Old 21.01.2019, 14:11
Ace1's Avatar
A modal singularity
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Morgins, VS (and Alsace)
Posts: 8,721
Groaned at 352 Times in 225 Posts
Thanked 14,770 Times in 6,413 Posts
Ace1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
The only part of your car that touches the road is the tires, why would you risk driving around on 10yr old rubber?? or old winter tires???
For the same reason that some people run their tyres down to the carcass, have half their lights not working and brake pads worn to the metal - money, or rather the lack thereof.

Doesn't justify it, of course, and if anyone ( like Landers?) is consciously choosing to do so then I'd agree with you that it's foolish and a false economy in the long term. Just one little ding from sliding into a kerb would cost you more than the savings you're making by running worn out tyres.

Old winter tyres in the summer, though, can make some sense, in that there's unlikely to be any risk of accident as a result. Wouldn't do it myself, but nor would I criticise anyone for doing so.
__________________
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 21.01.2019, 14:24
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 29,709
Groaned at 2,104 Times in 1,571 Posts
Thanked 35,471 Times in 16,836 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
Old winter tyres in the summer, though, can make some sense, in that there's unlikely to be any risk of accident as a result. Wouldn't do it myself, but nor would I criticise anyone for doing so.
I do it if they won't be good for next winter.

And plenty of people around here run winter (and not just all-season) tires all year.

Only my wife's Fiesta gets a change of tires, the Boxster gets summer tires year round, but both 4x4 live on winter tires.

Tom
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #37  
Old 21.01.2019, 14:40
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Ostschweiz
Posts: 8,155
Groaned at 385 Times in 293 Posts
Thanked 10,588 Times in 5,589 Posts
Urs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
So 15 tyres, each doing 4k km makes 60k km in one season on a bike .....
You forgot the burnouts
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Urs Max for this useful post:
  #38  
Old 21.01.2019, 14:41
22 yards's Avatar
Only in moderation
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Basel-Land
Posts: 9,003
Groaned at 283 Times in 224 Posts
Thanked 19,064 Times in 7,531 Posts
22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
The only part of your car that touches the road is the tires
You haven't been over a speed bump in my car then.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank 22 yards for this useful post:
  #39  
Old 21.01.2019, 14:43
bigblue2's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Glarus
Posts: 8,086
Groaned at 486 Times in 405 Posts
Thanked 14,715 Times in 5,780 Posts
bigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
You haven't been over a speed bump in my car then.
don't you have a raise suspension button??
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 21.01.2019, 14:43
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 29,709
Groaned at 2,104 Times in 1,571 Posts
Thanked 35,471 Times in 16,836 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
You haven't been over a speed bump in my car then.
Or my sidecar.

Tom
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
REminder- snow tyres and the law in CH Odile Transportation/driving 36 14.11.2016 15:21
Snow tyres in the UK / %? Odile General off-topic 34 23.11.2015 10:11
Snow tyres Versus Snow chains and the Law ? Ticino. Tubbies-Mummy Daily life 34 12.11.2014 18:32
Snow tyres... a modification in the UK Papa Goose International affairs/politics 9 11.12.2010 21:44
snow tyres basel? Bod Daily life 13 12.02.2009 17:49


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:01.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0