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The only part of your car that touches the road is the tires, why would you risk driving around on 10yr old rubber?? or old winter tires???



'cos there's nowt wrong with them. While I'm aware tyres can degrade, mine haven't done and are still in "tip top" shape. It's probably safer to be on my old summer rubber in the summer than winter tyres.
I also eat eggs past their use by date as long as they don't float.
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Old 21.01.2019, 14:03
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Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

each to their own, personally I'd never drive a car with 10yr old rubber on.
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Old 21.01.2019, 14:56
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don't you have a raise suspension button??
Yes. It's very well hidden somewhere under the steering wheel.

Admittedly I have bottomed out only once, and it won't happen again.
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Yes. It's very well hidden somewhere under the steering wheel.

Admittedly I have bottomed out only once, and it won't happen again.



ah......same car as Elton John then ?
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ah......same car as Elton John then ?
This one?



No, but I had one 25 years ago in BRG.
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Old 21.01.2019, 17:29
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No, but I had one 25 years ago in BRG.
LOL he has some seriously terrible cars
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LOL he has some seriously terrible cars
And quite a few stunners. I wouldn't say no to his (ex-)collection.
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Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

I drive year round on wintertires. This way I have fresh new winter tires every 3 years, instead of having two sets of 6 or more year old tires... I have done a trip to Venice with more than 30C weather, but never had any problems or noticed extra wear.
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Old 22.01.2019, 20:41
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I drive year round on wintertires. This way I have fresh new winter tires every 3 years, instead of having two sets of 6 or more year old tires... I have done a trip to Venice with more than 30C weather, but never had any problems or noticed extra wear.
I've turned the air-bags off in my car as I've never used them so far and I haven't noticed a difference...

In extremis, the handling of your car will not be so good with hot winter tyres on a hot road. You probably won't realise until too late.

I wonder (and this isn't directed at you), how the Police/car Insurance would see it if you had an accident and they thought that having winter tyres fitted in Summer was a contributing factor?
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I wonder (and this isn't directed at you), how the Police/car Insurance would see it if you had an accident and they thought that having winter tyres fitted in Summer was a contributing factor?

They'd think nothing of it.
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Old 22.01.2019, 20:58
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Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Interesting question Tom - why not ask the TC?
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Old 22.01.2019, 21:00
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I drive year round on wintertires. This way I have fresh new winter tires every 3 years, instead of having two sets of 6 or more year old tires... I have done a trip to Venice with more than 30C weather, but never had any problems or noticed extra wear.
You're most likely using quite a bit more fuel than you need to in summer, and tyre noise is louder and handling a little more sluggish than if you change to summer tyres in summer. Plus snow tyres absolutely do wear a lot faster than summer tyres, as they are made from a considerably softer compound. But if none of those consequences bother you, keep on using your snow tyres as all-season tyres. One advantage is improved handling and braking distances in wet weather, whatever the season... ETA, or not, if Tom's source (below) is correct...

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Old 22.01.2019, 21:13
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Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

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They'd think nothing of it.
And you know that because.....?


I just googled it and found I was right and you.... well wrong.

Here's a translation of one article:

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The winter tires are still mounted on my car because I want to extend them during the summer months. A friend told me that the insurance would pay me part of the damage in an accident. Is that correct?

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Driving in winter tires in Switzerland is not prohibited in summer, but it is not recommended for general safety reasons. Various tests show that winter tires have a significantly longer braking distance than summer tires at higher temperatures on both wet and dry roads. Winter tires are basically not suitable for summer temperatures due to their nature and rubber compound. In particular, traction and stability are reduced, which can have a fatal impact. The driver must be able to control his vehicle but in any situation and he is legally obliged to equip the car operational and safe traffic.

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Carelessness or misinterpreted economy are not worthwhile, since depending on the nature of the accident and vehicle condition, the driver may at most be charged with accident-relevant negligence. This is the case, for example, when unsuitable vehicle equipment - in this case inadequate tires - plays a role in the accident. After examining the specific loss event, ie depending on the situation and the seriousness of the driver's misconduct, the insurer may wholly or partially refuse or claim the loss. Driving with worn winter tires in the summer can therefore cost the motorist dearly.
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Old 22.01.2019, 21:21
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Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

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Interesting question Tom - why not ask the TC?
TCS agree too. Much greater stopping distances - up to 20% greater.

Here's a link to a TCS article (in pdf form)
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Old 22.01.2019, 21:37
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TCS agree too. Much greater stopping distances - up to 20% greater.

Here's a link to a TCS article (in pdf form)
Of course the stopping distances quoted in the Swiss Highway Code are way more than with winter tyres in the summer
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Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

Snow tyres are one of those things you need to consider mandatory in Switzerland even if officially they aren't, and don't even bother wondering why. Home insurance is another good example.
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Of course the stopping distances quoted in the Swiss Highway Code are way more than with winter tyres in the summer


That doesn't make sense. Do you mean "way less"?
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Old 23.01.2019, 06:33
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Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

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That doesn't make sense. Do you mean "way less"?
Look at the no's & you will see what I mean, cars had drum brakes & crossply tyres when it was written.
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Look at the no's & you will see what I mean, cars had drum brakes & crossply tyres when it was written.
Which numbers? In the TCS article? I can't see what you're talking about.
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Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland

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TCS agree too. Much greater stopping distances - up to 20% greater.

Here's a link to a TCS article (in pdf form)
That article refers mainly to "winterreifen im sommer ausfahren" and "fast abgefahrenen Winterpneus".

IMHO: Using winter tyres with a good thread depth in summer is very different from driving almost used-up winter tyres in summer until there is no thread left.

Again IMHO: if you have relatively new winter tyres (>4mm thread left) and you drive few kms a year and well below the tyre's speed rating (e.g. max 140 vs. a 240kmh rating) and not in extremely hot temperatures (e.g. southern Italy) then your risk is not higher as compared to decent summer tyres.
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