 | | | 
23.01.2019, 12:23
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Adliswil (close to Zurich)
Posts: 1,923
Groaned at 78 Times in 39 Posts
Thanked 1,777 Times in 848 Posts
| | Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland
In my particular case it concerns a Citroen C3, the base model with 68 hp (so no handling and no speed  ). I check tire thread every winter to see if I need new tires, I do not run them down to less than 3 - 4 mm. I do not go high speed (68 hp!) but am typically on cruise control at 95 kmh on the right lane (also when the limit is 120), this saves gas and is not so stressfull.
Another thing, I figure that I am driving around on the wrong tires in the 'good' season. With plenty of light, good visibility and good road conditions I estimate the chance of an accident in summer is less than in the winter. What I am saying, braking distance might be a bit longer but the chance that I need to do an emergency stop in summer is smaller than in winter. With the wrong tires in the winter (summer tires) is a different story...
Considering the other case (where I would swap tires every season), how do 6 year old summer tires compare to 3 year old winter tires, in the summer ? What is the general level of safety in winter when using 6 year old winter tires ? I am just happy to have new rubber al'round every 3 years...
__________________
Happiness is a full tank of gas (or better yet, diesel !)
| 
24.01.2019, 13:28
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Zurich
Posts: 979
Groaned at 32 Times in 25 Posts
Thanked 737 Times in 395 Posts
| | Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | This.
As my wife reminded me today. SNOW chains. WINTER tyres. | | | | | This was not a recommendation. This was an order.
The weather conditions can change very rapidly and although you may get to a lovely spot in the mountains without the chains, you may not be able to get back. Given that avalanche danger is currently very high, the chances of roads being closed is also very high. The WI in wife stands for WIsdom.   have fun!
| 
13.10.2020, 17:47
| Newbie | | Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Zug
Posts: 7
Groaned at 2 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post
| | Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland
Nordic or mild winter tyres?
Would something like the Michelin Alpin 6 suffice with a FWD car on most roads in Switzerland, or better stick with more rugged models such Michelin X-ice Snow?
| 
13.10.2020, 18:56
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Zurich area
Posts: 12,533
Groaned at 98 Times in 87 Posts
Thanked 19,128 Times in 8,491 Posts
| | Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Nordic or mild winter tyres?
Would something like the Michelin Alpin 6 suffice with a FWD car on most roads in Switzerland, or better stick with more rugged models such Michelin X-ice Snow? | | | | | The X-Ice Snow seams to be a North American model which is not usually sold by Michelin in Europe where the Alpine models are sold.
The Alpine are often top contenders in the annual TCS & ADAC winter tyre test. A thread pattern might perform better/worse in one dimension then in an other. https://www.tcs.ch/de/testberichte-r...n-getestet.php
Maybe Europeans are less concerned how the tyre looks than actually how it performs on snow. Or maybe Europeans are indeed concerned how it looks but it must look nice and sexy. Who knows.
Edit: Or central Europeans, such as I, do not know what "Nordic" means. Looks like a good "European" can outperform a bad "Nordic". But the best "Nordic" is better than the best "European". Considering the temperature here is often above 0 °C I do not see the use of a "Nordic" in the low lands. http://<br />
https://vti.diva-porta...FULLTEXT01.pdf https://www.michelin.se/auto/start-auto
__________________
"Okay, I just hope we don't wake up on Mars or something surrounded by millions of little squashy guys."
| 
13.10.2020, 19:28
| Junior Member | | Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Zurich
Posts: 98
Groaned at 9 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 227 Times in 65 Posts
| | Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland
Michelin Alpins are a high performance tyre and perfectly good for normal winter driving here.
| 
13.10.2020, 19:55
|  | A modal singularity | | Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Morgins, VS (and Alsace)
Posts: 8,721
Groaned at 352 Times in 225 Posts
Thanked 14,771 Times in 6,413 Posts
| | Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland
In recent years I've always gone with budget tyres, even on high-performance vehicles. Sites like reifendirekt.ch/pneu-direct.ch give a number of ratings, including grip, noise and economy and these allow a sensible selection to be made.
In my experience there's little to choose, in pure grip terms, between the cheapest and the most expensive winter tyres; this is based on a lot of winter mountain driving, often on unsalted roads, and often in an "enthiusiastic" fashion on reasonably powerful [1] 4wd road cars, over the last twenty-odd years.
(I don't count my experience with the Landrover Defender, as tyre choices are so limited and it has many other factors at play than for most vehicles.)
So I would consider going for the premium brands like Michelin Alpin largely a waste of money, but I know that a lot of people will still just go for them anyway. Branding is still a strong factor in many people's decision-making.
As for the original question, if you buy a "winter" tyre here it will have the snowflake marking, which is really all you need to worry about. North American markets, roads and vehicles are different enough to discount in this context.
[1] does 300bhp count as "powerful"? It does in my book.
| This user would like to thank Ace1 for this useful post: | | 
13.10.2020, 21:09
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Suhr, Aargau
Posts: 1,758
Groaned at 21 Times in 21 Posts
Thanked 2,290 Times in 1,082 Posts
| | Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Nordic or mild winter tyres?
Would something like the Michelin Alpin 6 suffice with a FWD car on most roads in Switzerland, or better stick with more rugged models such Michelin X-ice Snow? | | | | | Most roads in Switzerland is quite general. If there's effectively a lot of snow, you should mount the snow chains. Therefore the best tire is irrelevant. See this thread https://www.englishforum.ch/transpor...uirements.html
If it's just cold but no snow (usual condition in the Swiss plateau), any tire with the snowflake symbol works. And drive with care and keep safe distance from the car in front of you | 
13.10.2020, 22:10
|  | Member | | Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: French Part of CH
Posts: 176
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 200 Times in 101 Posts
| | Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland
Three things to consider when buying a winter / all season tyres:
1. Snow flake symbol
2. Three peak mountain symbol
3. M+ S marking
Most newer tyres have 1 and 2 above as one symbol.
Apart from above, I personally consider the European wet rating, A or B. This is to keep my mind at rest whenever I see the aquaplaning warning signs in the autoroute
Last edited by Jeep Life; 13.10.2020 at 22:12.
Reason: Typo
| 
14.10.2020, 13:14
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Zugish
Posts: 562
Groaned at 18 Times in 10 Posts
Thanked 722 Times in 328 Posts
| | Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | I do not go high speed (68 hp!) but am typically on cruise control at 95 kmh on the right lane (also when the limit is 120), this saves gas and is not so stressfull. | | | | | On no!!! It's one of "them" | The following 4 users would like to thank Cata1yst for this useful post: | | 
15.10.2020, 00:09
| Newbie | | Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Zug
Posts: 7
Groaned at 2 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post
| | Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland
“Nordic” is about how well (or if) they clear the roads. In Finland for instance, many roads are not cleared of snow, but rather snow is pressed in, and more chunky tyres are needed to keep biting into this surface.
In continental Russia where I’ve been living most use studded Nordic tyres, as poorly cleared snow and black ice are probably the biggest threat.
Do they clear the snow on all roads in CH?
| 
15.10.2020, 00:14
|  | Member | | Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: French Part of CH
Posts: 176
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 200 Times in 101 Posts
| | Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Do they clear the snow on all roads in CH? | | | | | Yes, they do a very good job on majority of the roads.
| 
15.10.2020, 12:43
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Suhr, Aargau
Posts: 1,758
Groaned at 21 Times in 21 Posts
Thanked 2,290 Times in 1,082 Posts
| | Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland
Most roads are kept free of snow. There's a road sign that says something like snow is not cleared beyond this point with text but you'll never find this sign on any major road connecting villages. This sign is found on small roads connecting farms and isolated houses. Check the places around your usual driving areas to find where's the limit of the snow cleaning coverage.
Unless you go to the Alps, you'll never see this road sign for snow chains. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_s...igatorisch.svg | 
15.10.2020, 14:06
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Nyon
Posts: 3,829
Groaned at 180 Times in 135 Posts
Thanked 5,075 Times in 2,407 Posts
| | Re: Snow Tyres in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Most roads are kept free of snow. There's a road sign that says something like snow is not cleared beyond this point with text but you'll never find this sign on any major road connecting villages. This sign is found on small roads connecting farms and isolated houses. Check the places around your usual driving areas to find where's the limit of the snow cleaning coverage. | | | | | Around Nyon it's | Quote: |  | | | Service hivernal réduit | | | | | and it means they don't clear the snow, ever.
| This user would like to thank bowlie for this useful post: | |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | | Thread Tools | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT +2. The time now is 13:27. | |