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Re: Solid white line crossed

In my case it was 700 CHF fine by crossing solid line on the highway when joining the traffic with average speed of 5 km/h
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Re: Solid white line crossed

Can it have an impact on B permit extensions and future C permit or Citizenship application ?
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Old 28.01.2019, 10:16
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Re: Solid white line crossed

Sorry for hijacking the thread for a question-
is this allowed to cross a solid white line if an illegally parked vehicle is blocking the only lane?
Happened to me multiple times.
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Old 28.01.2019, 10:22
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Re: Solid white line crossed

I crossed a solid white line on a motorway slip road, road was clear, I was upto speed etc etc, police where sitting on a bridge over the motorway.

The way the police reacted you'd have thought I just killed someone.

Got a huge fine (don't remember how much now, close to 1k I think), court fee's and 2 years driving probation.

So never cross a solid white line!!

of course if I'd forced my way onto the motorway at 60kph leaving carnage in my wake, that would have be ok.
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Old 28.01.2019, 10:25
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Can it have an impact on B permit extensions and future C permit or Citizenship application ?
Theoretically: Yes.
Practically: Most likely, No.

It is expected that you get a fine of a few hundred CHF max based on Art. 90 Abs. 1 SVG. To have an impact on the permit the fine must be > CHF 5000. Which is very, very unlikely.

Art. 90 Abs. 1 SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a90
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You said that there was no oncoming traffic and it was inside city limits. Question remains if you were actually able to overview the road and be sure that there will be no oncoming traffic or if it was in a bend or curve and you were just lucky that there was no oncoming traffic.

In the later case they might sentence you with a wage based monetary fine based on Art. 90 Abs. 2 SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a90
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A prison sentence of up to three years or a monetary penalty is imposed on anyone who causes serious danger or endangers the safety of others by gross violation of traffic regulations.
Any monetary penalty can have an impact on your permit C and citizenship application.
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Any monetary penalty can have an impact on your permit C and citizenship application.
But possibly not on the simple renewal of a permit B?
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Re: Solid white line crossed

Please let us know the verdict. I'm rather curious about this one, since I see people crossing white lines left and right when driving in Zurich.
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Old 28.01.2019, 10:53
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Sorry for hijacking the thread for a question-
is this allowed to cross a solid white line if an illegally parked vehicle is blocking the only lane?
Happened to me multiple times.
I, and several other people, got a fine overturned for this reason.
A lorry had broken down at the front of the queue at a traffic light junction and we all had to cross the line to get around him. I received a letter to go to the police station and when I went along they said I’d crossed a solid white line and proceeded to go straight ahead at the traffic lights from the left turn lane (caught on camera).
I was not the only person called in for the same offences on the same day at the same time and the police already knew the circumstances but they had to go through the motions.
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Old 28.01.2019, 11:39
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Sorry for hijacking the thread for a question-
is this allowed to cross a solid white line if an illegally parked vehicle is blocking the only lane?
Happened to me multiple times.
Yes, no, maybe.

There are federal court rulings which say the blockage must not be temporary. SO better stop. Honk. Maybe take a picture of the car blocking the road. Honk again like a maniac. And only than pass the vehicle with due care when you see that the blockage will not be resolved with the next few minutes. Also be sure that the blockage is not because the police has stopped the traffic.

BGE 86 IV 113
http://relevancy.bger.ch/php/clir/ht...=show_document

BGE 6B_782/2007
http://www.servat.unibe.ch/dfr/bger/..._782-2007.html
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Yes, all documents.
If they have seen and I didn't really give excuses, and they were sure, why a visit is needed?
It's part of due process. If you have nothing to say in your favor it's probably best to reply with something like "I prefer to not answer this question".

I think the main issue here isn't oncoming traffic but the fact that you're unable to see the people who cross the street in front of the bus before they are essentially or actually in front of your car, and that you have next to no time to react. Imagine it's a child darting across the road. Thus your speed when approaching the bus front and what you focused your attention on are probably the key parts of your answers.
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Re: Solid white line crossed

So why did u do it??
Whatever the reason; apologise
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Damn. Now I've got this in my head...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4UD1sK5a1U






Which has given me a break from this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB-Kkvf5j5Y
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Theoretically: Yes.
Practically: Most likely, No.

It is expected that you get a fine of a few hundred CHF max based on Art. 90 Abs. 1 SVG. To have an impact on the permit the fine must be > CHF 5000. Which is very, very unlikely.

Art. 90 Abs. 1 SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a90


You said that there was no oncoming traffic and it was inside city limits. Question remains if you were actually able to overview the road and be sure that there will be no oncoming traffic or if it was in a bend or curve and you were just lucky that there was no oncoming traffic.

In the later case they might sentence you with a wage based monetary fine based on Art. 90 Abs. 2 SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a90

Any monetary penalty can have an impact on your permit C and citizenship application.
Very useful information. Thanks.

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Please let us know the verdict. I'm rather curious about this one, since I see people crossing white lines left and right when driving in Zurich.
Sure. Indeed and I have seen many people doing the same maneuver what I did, but guess those the are the lucky ones or soon going to be unlucky

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It's part of due process. If you have nothing to say in your favor it's probably best to reply with something like "I prefer to not answer this question".

I think the main issue here isn't oncoming traffic but the fact that you're unable to see the people who cross the street in front of the bus before they are essentially or actually in front of your car, and that you have next to no time to react. Imagine it's a child darting across the road. Thus your speed when approaching the bus front and what you focused your attention on are probably the key parts of your answers.
Yes, that would make sense.
Inner city one cannot avoid child darting anyways, bus or no bus.

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Nothing of that sort. The bus had just arrived and being a main stop it was expected to wait some time, which probably woke up the impatient devil in me

An expensive lesson in patience. You didn't want to lose 30sec but ended getting stopped by the police, that's at least 5min lost right there. Another 2-3hours lost going to the station and not to mention the lighter wallet.


If a traffic violation needs to go thru a judge, then the police are obliged to "confirm" the details noted down by the police officer that wrote the report. Let them do the talking, say as little as possible since it won't make a difference anyway.
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Re: Solid white line crossed

Here's a reminder for anyone driving from Zürich airport towards Winterthur, as the solid white lines between the Airport tunnel and the power-station interchange are now very long next to the slow lane.

Be careful.
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Here's a reminder for anyone driving from Zürich airport towards Winterthur, as the solid white lines between the Airport tunnel and the power-station interchange are now very long next to the slow lane.
What is slow lane? There is a normal lane which you should be in most of the time regardless how fast you are and and one or more overtaking lanes for overtaking cars, trucks etc. After overtaking you must (it is the effing law) switch back into the normal lane. Please be considerate and do not be a mid lane or overtaking lane hog.
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Re: Solid white line crossed

Similar Case - TWO white lines

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I don't think the two compare in their seriousness.

You described yours as unintentional and were unable "undo" (go back) because of oncoming traffic once you realised your mistake, and you didn't create a risk for others, not even an abstract one.
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It's part of due process. If you have nothing to say in your favor it's probably best to reply with something like "I prefer to not answer this question".

I think the main issue here isn't oncoming traffic but the fact that you're unable to see the people who cross the street in front of the bus before they are essentially or actually in front of your car, and that you have next to no time to react. Imagine it's a child darting across the road. Thus your speed when approaching the bus front and what you focused your attention on are probably the key parts of your answers.
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Old 29.01.2019, 11:48
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A Swiss colleague advised me once to regard solid white lines as concrete walls because the fines are pretty heavy.
Yep. That's what it is.
Just imagine how much it would cost to fix the car if going through this "wall" and observe in surprise how you won't do it.
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