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08.07.2020, 16:23
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Picking up an old thread rather than opening a new one.
Wife decided to cross a solid white line around here as pictured and illustrated with the red arrow in the picture attached.
Police happened to be around, saw it, signaled to the patrol car waiting after the curve. pulled her over, asked for documents, etc.. why she did it and said she would receive something in the mail.
She said: "GPS was confusing and "told me so"
What am I looking at?
1k fine?
Probation?
Impact on renewal of C/apply for Swiss Citizenship?
Also, This was Luzern canton and we live in Zug canton. Its been 15 days and nothing arrived in the mail yet... How long before it does?
Thanks in advance... preparing the pockets...
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08.07.2020, 17:13
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| | Re: Solid white line crossed | Quote: | |  | | | What am I looking at?
1k fine?
Probation?
Impact on renewal of C/apply for Swiss Citizenship? | | | | | Have you ever seen the file 'The Wicker Man'?
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08.07.2020, 17:33
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| | Re: Solid white line crossed | Quote: | |  | | | Picking up an old thread rather than opening a new one.
Wife decided to cross a solid white line around here as pictured and illustrated with the red arrow in the picture attached.
Police happened to be around, saw it, signaled to the patrol car waiting after the curve. pulled her over, asked for documents, etc.. why she did it and said she would receive something in the mail.
She said: "GPS was confusing and "told me so"
What am I looking at?
1k fine?
Probation?
Impact on renewal of C/apply for Swiss Citizenship?
Also, This was Luzern canton and we live in Zug canton. Its been 15 days and nothing arrived in the mail yet... How long before it does?
Thanks in advance... preparing the pockets... | | | | | You? Nothing.
Wife? It will be a "richterlicher Beschluss" (judicial decision),so yes, it will take a while. Apparently average Fr. 350.00 (but as mentioned, a judge decides) plus about Fr. 300.00 expenses. "The navi told me so" is not good reasoning.
I expect aSitUS to show up soon with the details.
PS: Looking at the picture, I suspect the navi said for quiet a while "nehmen Sie die Ausfahrt bleiben Sie links, bleiben Sie links, bleiben Sie links" (take the exit and stay left, stay left, stay left) VERY annoying but that's because the navi means it. 
Looks like your wife took a swirl at the last moment before the line actually became double after having had quiet some time to do so legally. It will probably depend on the police report as well, about traffic situation and endangering other people.
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08.07.2020, 17:53
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| | Re: Solid white line crossed | Quote: | |  | | | It will be a "richterlicher Beschluss" (judicial decision),so yes, it will take a while. Apparently average Fr. 350.00 (but as mentioned, a judge decides) plus about Fr. 300.00 expenses. "The navi told me so" is not good reasoning. | | | | | I was not at all aware of this, thanks for the link. Cannot say it makes much sense to me (40 Sfr innerorts vs this madness ausserorts), but certainly useful to know.
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08.07.2020, 18:00
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| | Re: Solid white line crossed | Quote: | |  | | | I was not at all aware of this, thanks for the link. Cannot say it makes much sense to me (40 Sfr innerorts vs this madness ausserorts), but certainly useful to know. | | | | | Looks like you're still not aware of it, read it again.
Don't stop at <<Der Ordnungsbussenkatalog nennt in Ziffer 618 für Rad- und Motorfahrräder eine Busse, wenn eine Sicherheitslinie innerorts überfahren wird. Diese bemisst sich auf 40 Schweizer Franken (CHF).>> and do not overlook the bold bit.
For cars it is always a richterlicher Beschluss, in town, out of town, single line, double line .... and the price I quoted seems to be a minimum, depending on how dangerous the situation actually was.
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08.07.2020, 18:09
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| | Re: Solid white line crossed | Quote: | |  | | | Looks like you're still not aware of it, read it again. 
Don't stop at <<Der Ordnungsbussenkatalog nennt in Ziffer 618 für Rad- und Motorfahrräder eine Busse, wenn eine Sicherheitslinie innerorts überfahren wird. Diese bemisst sich auf 40 Schweizer Franken (CHF).>> and do not overlook the bold bit.
For cars it is always a richterlicher Beschluss, in town, out of town, single line, double line .... and the price I quoted seems to be a minimum, depending on how dangerous the situation actually was. | | | | | Holy crap, this is more consistent but even worse. With the bicycle? I do this twice a day ...
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08.07.2020, 18:11
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| | Re: Solid white line crossed | Quote: | |  | | | Holy crap, this is more consistent but even worse. With the bicycle? I do this twice a day ... | | | | | Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Are you crossing solid white lines twice a day on your bicycle? Why? They're solid for a reason, usually your safety and the safety of others on the road.... | This user would like to thank 3Wishes for this useful post: | | 
08.07.2020, 18:16
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| | Re: Solid white line crossed | Quote: | |  | | | Holy crap, this is more consistent but even worse. With the bicycle? I do this twice a day ... | | | | | That would be Fr. 80.00 a day ..... so let's see, how long have you done this for you said ..... calculator ready .....
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08.07.2020, 18:16
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| | Re: Solid white line crossed | Quote: | |  | | | Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Are you crossing solid white lines twice a day on your bicycle? Why? They're solid for a reason, usually your safety and the safety of others on the road.... | | | | | Clearly you've never seen a cyclist on the road | The following 5 users would like to thank V__ for this useful post: | | 
08.07.2020, 18:26
| | Re: Solid white line crossed | Quote: | |  | | | Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Are you crossing solid white lines twice a day on your bicycle? Why? They're solid for a reason, usually your safety and the safety of others on the road.... | | | | | You should respect a cyclist who only does it twice a day, I don't even look at those things when cycling.
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08.07.2020, 20:27
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08.07.2020, 20:45
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So what are the rules with these Big Fat Solid White Lines that I’m seeing more and more of these days. They are (almost) a lane wide and separate opposing traffic.
Am I allowed to turn left and cross it? Should I be in the big white lane wanting to turn left?
Or is this just a romandie thing?
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08.07.2020, 20:54
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| | Re: Solid white line crossed | Quote: | |  | | | That would be Fr. 80.00 a day ..... so let's see, how long have you done this for you said ..... calculator ready .....
As 3Wishes said, those lines are not just to look pretty and something for the Swiss to clean  | | | | | Don't be a rat
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08.07.2020, 20:55
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| | Re: Solid white line crossed | Quote: | |  | | | Clearly you've never seen a cyclist on the road  | | | | | Which is exactly the problem with cyclists.
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08.07.2020, 21:12
| | Re: Solid white line crossed | Quote: | |  | | | So what are the rules with these Big Fat Solid White Lines that I’m seeing more and more of these days. They are (almost) a lane wide and separate opposing traffic.
Am I allowed to turn left and cross it? Should I be in the big white lane wanting to turn left?
Or is this just a romandie thing? | | | | | I'd say they are dividers and you are not allowed to drive on them. But I'm also not fully sure what you are talking about, do you have a google maps example?
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08.07.2020, 23:15
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| | Re: Solid white line crossed | Quote: | |  | | | So what are the rules with these Big Fat Solid White Lines that I’m seeing more and more of these days. They are (almost) a lane wide and separate opposing traffic.
Am I allowed to turn left and cross it? Should I be in the big white lane wanting to turn left?
Or is this just a romandie thing? | | | | |
I know precisely the type of road markings you mean. This is hearsay, but I've been told they are a traffic calming strategy: you are less likely to do e.g. 70 in a 50 zone if the lanes look narrower. Apparently they are moving away from using physical barriers for traffic calming, as physical barriers pose serious problems for lorries, etc.. I have noticed that in the small villages near me (Morges region), where in the past there might have been bollards to calm traffic, now we just have white paint on the road that makes the lanes look narrower in certain places. You can drive straight through if needs must, but one instinctively slows down and avoids the white paint when one can.
Again, hearsay, but it does sound logical to me.
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09.07.2020, 07:43
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| | Re: Solid white line crossed | Quote: | |  | | | You are less likely to do e.g. 70 in a 50 zone if the lanes look narrower. | | | | | I'm pretty sure it's not hearsay but established scientific fact.
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09.07.2020, 08:37
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| | Re: Solid white line crossed | Quote: |  | | | I'd say they are dividers and you are not allowed to drive on them. But I'm also not fully sure what you are talking about, do you have a google maps example? | | | | | Not sure if this is what bowlie was referring to, could it be something like this? https://goo.gl/maps/3SFkWHP2TAYtTZJVA | 
09.07.2020, 09:20
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| | Re: Solid white line crossed
Yes, very similar
Avenue Alfred Cortet entering Nyon from the autoroute and the route l’Etraz between Nyon and Prangins are recent examples of this, not yet on streetview.
One lane in each direction, big white painted lane in the middle.
Is this the same as a solid white line? There are no signs suggesting either way
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