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Why should they, they already have an agreement on this????
Yes, it is called the Chicago Convention 1945, which created ICAO. It also applies to the UK and the 27 other member states.

Air Services agreements, including the so-called open skies agreements, are for economic matters. Technical matters are dealt with through ICAO.
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Re: Booking holiday flights - Brexit problems

If things were to go very bad with the exit process, there could be an issue with G registered aircraft flying between EU states. So a G registered aircraft may struggle to fly Berlin to Paris for example.

But a G registered aircraft can fly freely between UK routes, ie Paris to London, Basel to Bristol etc.

Now I am guessing the carriers have already factored this in and are perfectly ready for such a hiccup. I wouldnt be too concerned about any flight cancellations as a direct result from a bad exit.
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Old 28.01.2019, 14:44
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And no, Edwin, those rights can't be transferred absent some kind of agreement.
Who says they should be transferred? My point is that they stick with the company.
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Old 28.01.2019, 14:45
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Re: Booking holiday flights - Brexit problems

I booked a flight for soon after the brexit date. Since nobody knows what will happen, I will just play it by ear and cancel or change plans if an issue crops up.
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Old 28.01.2019, 17:08
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If things were to go very bad with the exit process, there could be an issue with G registered aircraft flying between EU states. So a G registered aircraft may struggle to fly Berlin to Paris for example.

But a G registered aircraft can fly freely between UK routes, ie Paris to London, Basel to Bristol etc.

Now I am guessing the carriers have already factored this in and are perfectly ready for such a hiccup. I wouldnt be too concerned about any flight cancellations as a direct result from a bad exit.
The aircraft registration isn’t relevant. It is the ownership (and control) of the company operating the flight. Almost all Aeroflot planes are registered in Bermuda but that doesn’t prevent them from flying from Russia to the EU.

Without an agreement British airlines will lose their right to carry revenue traffic betwwn two EU airports. And this potentially affects only easyJet UK. No other British airline currently flies any intra-EU routes.

Ryanair, an Irish and EU airline, could lose their rights to carry revenue traffic between the UK and any EU airport outside of Ireland. It is doubtful the UK would actually implement a prohibition, but if the EU limits easyjet AUstria then expect the UK to retaliate.

I said it was complicated.
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Old 28.01.2019, 17:23
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The aircraft registration isn’t relevant. It is the ownership (and control) of the company operating the flight. Almost all Aeroflot planes are registered in Bermuda but that doesn’t prevent them from flying from Russia to the EU.



Ah..................so that's why the Trolley Dollies wear bikinis, i always wondered
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Old 28.01.2019, 19:09
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Re: Booking holiday flights - Brexit problems

Back in 2017, easyJet announced that in preparation for Brexit they were re-registering 110 aircraft under Austrian jurisdiction. Last year they confirmed that 113 aircraft (out of a total of 313) had been re-registered in Austria, while at that time 174 planes remained registered with easyJet in Luton and 26 were registered to easyJet Switzerland. A few days ago they announced that they had now registered 130 aircraft on their Austrian air operator's certificate.

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Old 28.01.2019, 19:39
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Re: Booking holiday flights - Brexit problems

easyJet Switzerland is a little different. easyJet plc (UK) ownes just 49% of easyJet Switzerland, local investors own the remainder.

easyJet Europe, based in Vienna, is wholly owned (and controlled) by easyJet UK

The EC has already stated they do not believe easyJet Europe qualifies as an EU airline. That is an opinion of civil servants but given that control rests in the UK I don’t see the courts deciding otherwise.

All of this is moot, should there be no Brexit, or an agreed Brexit. But if there is a hard Brexit things get even more complicated.
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Old 28.01.2019, 20:01
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Re: Booking holiday flights - Brexit problems

Acording to the Spiegel article, which I unfortunately cannot link to, flights from CH to EU are also affected by Brexit, not just Eu to EU flights.
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Old 28.01.2019, 20:20
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Acording to the Spiegel article, which I unfortunately cannot link to, flights from CH to EU are also affected by Brexit, not just Eu to EU flights.
As long as they are operated by easyJet Switzerland, a Swiss company, they will not be affected. But easyJet plc will not be allowed to fly CH to EU in a no-deal scenario.

The ECs warning from January is described here. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...al-vote-latest
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Old 28.01.2019, 22:08
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As long as they are operated by easyJet Switzerland, a Swiss company, they will not be affected. But easyJet plc will not be allowed to fly CH to EU in a no-deal scenario.

The ECs warning from January is described here. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...al-vote-latest
Oh no. I just booked Basel to Sardinia flights with EasyJet.... how can I tell which I booked with?
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Old 28.01.2019, 22:18
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Oh no. I just booked Basel to Sardinia flights with EasyJet.... how can I tell which I booked with?

From the flight N°, EJZ or EJY
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Old 28.01.2019, 22:45
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Re: Booking holiday flights - Brexit problems

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From the flight N°, EJZ or EJY
My CH/UK flights are usually EZS (easyJet Switzerland) and occasionally EZY (easyJet UK).
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Old 29.01.2019, 00:52
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From the flight N°, EJZ or EJY
EZS so that is Swiss. But there was a bit notice on the bookingpage saying that that might change.....
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Old 29.01.2019, 10:23
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Since easyJet is the only carrier that goes from Geneva to Scotland, we use them a lot.. It's normally Easyjet Switzerland we fly with though.. So not affected?
Easyjet Switzerland was founded precisely to circumvent a similar problem with Switzerland vs EU. They will be OK..
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Old 29.01.2019, 10:28
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The operative phrase in aviation is “substantial owned” and “effectively controled” by nationals of the country concerned (or EU nationals for EU airlines)
So all Eayjet needs to do is bring back Stelios.

I think the passengers would like too.
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Old 29.01.2019, 19:05
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Re: Booking holiday flights - Brexit problems

Stelios and the Haji-Ioannou family still own about a third of the airline so this counts a long way to making Easyjet qualify for 50%+1 of shareholders in the EEA which is the requirement for intra-Europe flights under the aviation agreement.
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From the flight N°, EJZ or EJY
EZY is plc, EZS is CH.

IATA codes are U2 and DZ
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Easyjet Switzerland was founded precisely to circumvent a similar problem with Switzerland vs EU. They will be OK..

As I understand, it is the ownership of the company that decides whether it is British or not. Notwhere it is incorporated.
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Old 07.02.2019, 13:47
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Re: Booking holiday flights - Brexit problems

Sniff sniff. Is that Project Fear I smell?
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