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Sniff sniff. Is that Project Fear I smell?
We'll find out in a month or so!

If its not I hope all those that wrote the negativity off to being project fear dont then turn around and blame the Gov and everyone else for not being prepared when so many experts pointed out this could happen.
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Old 07.02.2019, 16:45
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Sniff sniff. Is that Project Fear I smell?
Definitely, the airlines reduce ticket prices out of altruism only.
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Old 07.02.2019, 17:22
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Re: Booking holiday flights - Brexit problems

Nah, you are probably just smelling Fish Paste ....

Just in ....

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LONDON (Alliance News) - easyJet PLC on Thursday said it has increased its EU ownership to 49% in order to be able to continue flying in Europe after the UK's exit from the European Union in March.

With just 50 days to go to Brexit, easyJet said it remains confident of its ability to continue flying whatever the outcome, as it has "undertaken significant preparations" since the vote of the referendum was delivered.

At the company's annual general meeting held on Thursday, Chair John Barton said: "To allow us to continue flying within Europe after Brexit, we are required to ensure ongoing compliance with EU ownership and control requirements."

He added: "To this end, our active investor relations programme continues to focus on Europe and we have now increased our EU ownership to 49%. This level of EU ownership is only marginally below the 50% plus 1 share that would be required if there is a 'no deal' Brexit and there is no adjustment period for compliance with EU ownership requirements."

Among other Brexit preparations, the airline has put in place new operating airlines in Austria and the UK, and ring-fenced those operations. Over 1,000 pilots were transferred and 3,300 cabin crew licences re-issued.

If the EU does not grant airlines any adjustment period to comply with ownership and control regulations, easyJet's board "stands ready to activate existing provisions to ensure that the company will comply following Brexit", the firm said.

One measure to achieve this would be the suspension of shareholders' voting rights, in respect of a small number of shares, the airline explained.

The company however, remains confident that even in a no-deal Brexit situation the right to fly between the EU and the UK will remain.

easyJet shares were trading down 1.1% at 1,305.00 pence.
Is certainly a step in the right direction. Now all they have to do is to prove to the EU that 'control' rests with EU nationals ... (and good luck with that)
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Old 07.02.2019, 17:29
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Sniff sniff. Is that Project Fear I smell?
Well if it is then you will have absolutely no problem explaining how a no deal BREXIT will have no impact on holiday makes... of you go.
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Well if it is then you will have absolutely no problem explaining how a no deal BREXIT will have no impact on holiday makes... of you go.
I have no idea, because, like the rest of us on EF, we are lay people, just gobbing off and summising.

I will prepare my hat, some salt and pepper, and be ready to eat it if on March 30th BA is grounded and there are no flights to the EU.

To be honest, all they need to do is employ some ballsy pilots, fly over anyway, and just swoop in when there's a gap in the final approach queue, and disgourge.
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Re: Booking holiday flights - Brexit problems

If a gutsy BA pilot tried that, at a minimum the aircraft would be impounded on the ground. And the insurers would fall over themselves cancelling BA’s policies for just cause. No airline can fly without insurance.

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Re: Booking holiday flights - Brexit problems

I prefaced my comments above with “If the EU decides to play hard ball”. I am reasonably confident they won’t and, at worst, airlines on both sides will be able to offer the same frequency and capacity as in the previous year. At best it will be business as usual.

But the situation is very fluid and things could change dramatically from one day to the next.

In my case I have flights booked via Gatwick in September, and have my fingers crossed.
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I prefaced my comments above with “If the EU decides to play hard ball”. I am reasonably confident they won’t and, at worst, airlines on both sides will be able to offer the same frequency and capacity as in the previous year. At best it will be business as usual.
The EU is rule based, you should expect that they will fully apply the rules and nothing else. It not just simply thing they can agree quickly, remember there is a knock on impact in terms of insurance coverage, qualifications, authorisation etc...

Sorting out all of those things takes time, time that we don't have at this stage...

If you only have to pay for a cheap ticket, it probably does not matter too much, but if you have hotels etc... a different story.

My local school have an English course and trip booked in the UK for the first week of April. Parents received a letter from the school last week saying that if it does not go ahead there will be no refunds...
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The EU is rule based, you should expect that they will fully apply the rules and nothing else. It not just simply thing they can agree quickly, remember there is a knock on impact in terms of insurance coverage, qualifications, authorisation etc...

Sorting out all of those things takes time, time that we don't have at this stage...
I agree in princile, but some things will be the interpretations of the rules. Such as defining nationalities of airlines. On the one hand EZU could be an EU airline, on the other they are British because that’s were their control lies.
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The EU is rule based, you should expect that they will fully apply the rules and nothing else. It not just simply thing they can agree quickly, remember there is a knock on impact in terms of insurance coverage, qualifications, authorisation etc...
Mhhh, being rule-based must be why SIX, the Swiss stock exchange, is no longer deemed unconditionally equivalent even though they meet all requirements. In fact the EC says advances on the institutional framework are a precondition for any further recognition even though that's a direct contradiction to the conditions laid out for a permanent recognition.

I'm basically with Fish Paste on this, it doesn't make sense to cause chaos just to stick to some arbitrary principles. That's what the airlines appear to base on as well.

Nonetheless the fact remains that nobody knows what the rules or actual situation will be in two months. That's not fearmongering, it's stating the facts.
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Re: Booking holiday flights - Brexit problems

I think you are factmongering
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I'm basically with Fish Paste on this, it doesn't make sense to cause chaos just to stick to some arbitrary principles. That's what the airlines appear to base on as well.

Nonetheless the fact remains that nobody knows what the rules or actual situation will be in two months. That's not fearmongering, it's stating the facts.
There's a currently a race to secure 50% EU ownership of the airlines that operate from the UK.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...exit-1.3780538

Last I heard, Easyjet had secured 47-48%, but airlines such as Jet2, are still concerned...

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...aving-15774629

This article goes some way to explain the various outcomes...

https://www.traveldailymedia.com/bre...n-uk-aviation/
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Re: Booking holiday flights - Brexit problems

There appears to be some inaccuracies in the travelmedia article.

With a hard brexit it says that "all approvals, personal licences and certifications issued by the UK CAA directly or by UK-approved organisations would also become invalid overnight".

This may be true for British Pilots flying with EU airlines, but it certainly isn't true for British airlines flying with British airlines. The EU airlines will be falling all over themselves getting these documents converted to EU.

They also say "Route licenses and access for operators to the EU internal air transport market would also become invalid, requiring new bilateral Air Transport Agreements to be put in place, if they wish to trade within the EU."

Note the 'within the EU'. This doesn't mean that between the UK and the EU will be affected. It is interesting to note that EU Regulation that created the EU aviation market did not cancel the previous bilateral Air Services Agreements but suspended them. This means that the old UK-France bilateral (as an example) will return to effectiveness. It likely will be more onerous than the single aviation market but it doesn't mean British airlines will be prohibited to flying to France.
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