motorcycle licence - Page 2

aSwissInTheUS · #21 02.09.2020, 16:12

	Quote:	magnus
	h Ohh, before I forget, does anyone know if it is possible to rent the bike for the course and exam?

Possible but costs a lot: Enter into google "fahrschule motorrad mieten site:.ch" (w/o the quotes

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Normally cheaper to buy a banger and sell it after you did the courses and exam (or keep if you like it). Be aware the you might drop the bike while practice the maneuvers or otherwise. Even a small scratch can eat up all of your deducible which is CHF 500 to 1000.

I said normally as it look like the used motorcycle market is tried up. All others had the same idea, or those which have a bike do not want a new one. There is also the issue that there are not that many new bikes on the marked as well.

If you are 25 years or older, and you want to start the process this year go for the full A unrestricted license. There is no difference in the process except that the vehicle for the exam needs at least 35 kW (35 kW exactly is good enough if you get your learners permit this year).

For official learning materials for theory exam see:
https://asa.ch/dienstleistungen/theo...ng/lernmittel/
Theory exam can be don in English in some cantons.

The mandatory driving lessons are covered bz the basic motorcycle training (Grundkurs). Search in Google for "Grundkurs Englisch".

As you do not have any license you would also have to do the mandatory traffic safety course (Verkehrskunde VKU). If you apply for the learners permit before 2021 you will to this after you passed the theory exam. If you apply for a learners permit 2021 or later you must do it before the theory exam.

More info:
Taking Catogory A unlimited bike license in Switzerland
Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test with(out) car license?
Timing...Motorbike A license and buying a large bike...

Sultan of Swing · #22 02.09.2020, 17:42

https://www.toeff-forum.ch/thread/15...724#post254724

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	in winter you can usually find better-priced second-hand cars, as it is not the season and therefore the demand decreases. This year is also generally a bad year, as prices are generally very high. This has among other things the following reasons: - Last year in which direct entry is possible --> increased demand - Due to Corona, many people have not gone on holiday and start riding motorbikes as a "substitute" --> Increased demand - The production of motorbikes is massively reduced due to the corona situation --> Reduced supply e.g. Kawasaki, Honda, Ducati and Suzuki have sold out practically all new vehicles (at the importers). For Kawasaki and Suzuki even the general importer for Europe. At least that's what I was told by several dealers of these brands. I assume that it will be the same with the other brands. For a new Kawa Z900 for example, you currently have a waiting period of about 1 year, i.e. when the 2021 model year is launched.

magnus · #23 03.09.2020, 10:26

	Quote:	Sultan of Swing
	I am yet to find a driving school that lets motorcycles to its students, unlike cars, you are supposed to show up with your motocycle, either own or rented. This means you have to be able to drive it already, as you are expected to follow the group/instructor. So either you learn it by yourself, or with a friend, or you pay an instructor for a private class to teach you the basics. You are supposed to have a learners license for this, which means after you get it you have 4 months to get the Grundkurs done, after that it is valid for one year, during this time you are supposed to clear the practical exam.

Looks like this will be a head ache.

So far I got the eye check done and the first aid course will be in 2 weeks.
I ordered 2 learner's books so hopefully by the end of September I can pass the online theory exam.

Now I'm a bit worried about the practical course being complicated, like getting a hold of a bike and going through the basics.

magnus · #24 03.09.2020, 10:28

	Quote:	aSwissInTheUS
	Possible but costs a lot: Enter into google "fahrschule motorrad mieten site:.ch" (w/o the quotes ) Normally cheaper to buy a banger and sell it after you did the courses and exam (or keep if you like it). Be aware the you might drop the bike while practice the maneuvers or otherwise. Even a small scratch can eat up all of your deducible which is CHF 500 to 1000. I said normally as it look like the used motorcycle market is tried up. All others had the same idea, or those which have a bike do not want a new one. There is also the issue that there are not that many new bikes on the marked as well. If you are 25 years or older, and you want to start the process this year go for the full A unrestricted license. There is no difference in the process except that the vehicle for the exam needs at least 35 kW (35 kW exactly is good enough if you get your learners permit this year). For official learning materials for theory exam see: https://asa.ch/dienstleistungen/theo...ng/lernmittel/ Theory exam can be don in English in some cantons. The mandatory driving lessons are covered bz the basic motorcycle training (Grundkurs). Search in Google for "Grundkurs Englisch". As you do not have any license you would also have to do the mandatory traffic safety course (Verkehrskunde VKU). If you apply for the learners permit before 2021 you will to this after you passed the theory exam. If you apply for a learners permit 2021 or later you must do it before the theory exam. More info: Taking Catogory A unlimited bike license in Switzerland Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test with(out) car license? Timing...Motorbike A license and buying a large bike...

Thanks for the tip. With that kind of deductible, buying a cheap 2nd hand 250-300CC might be more affordable.

st2lemans · #25 03.09.2020, 10:44

	Quote:	magnus
	I ordered 2 learner's books so hopefully by the end of September I can pass the online theory exam.

Do you have a car license?

Tom

Sultan of Swing · #26 03.09.2020, 11:22

	Quote:	magnus
	Looks like this will be a head ache. So far I got the eye check done and the first aid course will be in 2 weeks. I ordered 2 learner's books so hopefully by the end of September I can pass the online theory exam.

compared to B it is a headache indeed as you need your gear, namely bike and armor, depending on school the requirements vary - some refuse jeans, others require only motogloves and a helmet. So you might already start looking for protective gear, either used on FB marketplace, Tutti, or new in an outlet.

https://www.toefftotal.ch/vermietung - has some packages, you might have a look.

since you are in ZH you might check this thread

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	Now I'm a bit worried about the practical course being complicated, like getting a hold of a bike and going through the basics.

even for basics like clutch control you have to have a learners license, aka Lernfahrausweis, but if you have a buddy with a bike...

if you manage to get the Lernfahrausweis this year, you'll have 4 months in 2021 to the Grundkurs done, this lifts off some pressure to manage everything this year. But then we don't know what 2021 wil bring. However, due to Corona this year Kanton Zürich extended learners' permits by two months, otherwise they don't have any mercy when it comes to expirations.

Sultan of Swing · #27 03.09.2020, 11:25

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Do you have a car license? Tom

OP earlier:

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	I don't have any other car or bike license. This lockdown is driving me nuts and I need a way to get around.