Tesla Fan Boy Thread

[AbFab]

	Quote:	wizzard
	So, after a lot of consideration and searching and thinking and and and, I am about to order the model 3 performance- the 0.99 leasing rate helped to choose faster. Any last advices? recommendations? instructions? :-)

Bit late responding - sorry:

I don‘t see full self-driving being viable for some years yet. It is quirky, frustrating and potentially dangerous at the moment - and software updates haven‘t improved matters.

Were I to be able to reorder today, I would take the performance version and forget Auto Pilot...

[Axa]

Interesting developments for Tesla today.

Sen. Markey calls to disable Autopilot until safety flaws are fixed

https://youtu.be/qJ9XUTmFtoY

[Fermano]

Hi everyone, first post noob here! (Also, I've lived in Switzerland for the last two years only.) Lots of info, thanks!

With my model 3 AWD arriving in a couple of weeks, I wonder what might be the approx. cost of the most basic Tesla 3 charging solution, ie. the simplest socket that charges electricity to my flat? The owner company hasn't replied yet; I'm renting here for the next 8 months to a few years, will know it next Summer. Reading some 4-digit numbers here, I became pretty nervous My use is, zero or one multi-hour drive day trip per week for skiing, sightseeing etc. (and over 10.000km per year on long road trips but that's supercharging). There are a couple of evpass etc. chargers in a 15min walking distance, I like a walking exercise

Also, has anyone who's a tenant succeeded in convincing the landlord/company to pick up the costs (or similar investments)? The socket is an inseparable part of the building that stays after the rental ended, and they can advertise the apartment block in the future as EV-friendly, luring in well-off and likely considerate tenants by scoring points on features? Shouldn't eventually a number of sockets be a standard feature, as basic amenities or signal of eco-friendliness?

(Btw. I'm a tad disappointed that there's no EV rebate in Switzerland, despite not worsening local air quality, and that some cantons are indifferent to EVs, or tax based on weight, which even disadvantages EVs due to their heavy battery. Also, with so much plastic packaging and products in shops, heavy SUVs everywhere and folks' preference for meat eating esp. beef, my initial impression of Switzerland as an environmentally friendly country has faded, but maybe one day...)

So my plan is, "please install me the cheapest thing and I'll remain your tenant for at least X month and/or add an extra CHF20 per month to my garage rate" or offer a similar construct. Will definitely look around for other apartments if they give an "X CHF cash, take it or leave it" install offer if X is more than say CHF200. Was anyone in a situation like this, or has succeeded negotiating for a similar investment cost uptake?

Does someone (esp. not in Zürich where the Tesla delivery center is) have experience with the logistics of receiving the car? Tesla only said, "hurray, vehicle is matched, it should arrive in a few weeks, there's importing into Switzerland etc etc we'll let you know". I got random questions like

- can/should I prearrange insurance - and where - as I think Tesla itself isn't dealing with insurance in Europe? why am I not getting a VIN if a vehicle is matched?
- what sockets can I use with the whatever charging cable I get, is it the 3 prong Swiss plug?
- is the front mount for the license plate preinstalled for me, or can I get a kit so I can eg. get transparent bra (PPF protection layer) on the front bumper?
- ... or is it something not routinely done in Switzerland and the Teslas don't get all dinged up in the often rocky or salty sleet as folks drive up and down to ski resorts?
- will the car, as I hope, be fully imported when I get it, or do I have to run errands as Tesla Switzerland might act just as an agent and I have to actually do the bureaucracy of importing the car?
- what's the connectivity, what's in the package (Netflix, Spotify etc.), are these services free, and forever or only for one year?
- ... and the same when I drive outside Switzerland, will everything still work, and if so, what countries are covered, is it all of the countries that have at least one Supercharger?

It's very easy to get US info but of course such stuff is local. My German isn't good yet for decent reading and though Tesla is a US company, all of my order related info is in German, they said they can't switch to English. My Tesla contact has good English though, but such info may have been shared in the past. In short, Swiss folks' purchase experience besides the "here's your car, here's our bank account" part.

[rainer_d]

You should have cleared the charging-question with the landlord before ordering.

They really hate the "...easier to ask for forgiveness"-approach here.

Unless the flat is super-duper expensive for the location, there's no problem attracting tenants in Switzerland.

They don't need to make it "more attractive", until the inflow of immigrants every month stops.
Then, we'll have other, bigger problems.

[Fermano]

I did ask well before ordering. I just didn't wait indefinitely, due to car sold, upcoming trips, ski season and the option to charge on the street or easily move within town.

What's routinely included as amenity is changing over time, eg. white goods, 3 layer glasses, shutters, floor heating etc. are included in modern rentals. Why not the option to rent a special parking spot? Here, some places are wider and a bit pricier, for SUVs. With the inevitable proliferation of EVs, esp. in upmarket buildings, metered garage sockets are a qestion of when, not if.

Which is why I asked about costs, and the experience of anyone who asked (and failed or succeeded). Gut feel I have as well, btw. it's similar to yours, the ecological or technological angle is not too strong here.

Also, there's no "forgiveness" part, the apartment block is managed, I can't just ask a local electrician to add a metered garage socket

It's not Zurich, there are quite a few apartments advertised in the town that are empty.

[rainer_d]

With "clearing" I meant asking and getting an answer...


I had asked my landlord-company a couple of years ago and they didn't outright say no.
I didn't buy an EV at the time, but before I would end up ordering, I would surely ask for a definitive answer.


Instead of buying a Wall-charger, I think I'd lean towards just asking for a CEE16 power socket and using something like a Juice-Booster or e-go.


https://technikblog.ch/2019/02/tesla...ause-erhoehen/


This is - from my understanding - the least invasive installation-method.


I would not want to have an EV without being able to charge at home.
Slow-charging is best for the battery.


I don't own an EV yet, so I hope what I'm telling here isn't complete BS....

	Quote:	Fermano
	- can/should I prearrange insurance - and where - as I think Tesla itself isn't dealing with insurance in Europe? why am I not getting a VIN if a vehicle is matched? - what sockets can I use with the whatever charging cable I get, is it the 3 prong Swiss plug? - is the front mount for the license plate preinstalled for me, or can I get a kit so I can eg. get transparent bra (PPF protection layer) on the front bumper? - ... or is it something not routinely done in Switzerland and the Teslas don't get all dinged up in the often rocky or salty sleet as folks drive up and down to ski resorts? - will the car, as I hope, be fully imported when I get it, or do I have to run errands as Tesla Switzerland might act just as an agent and I have to actually do the bureaucracy of importing the car? - what's the connectivity, what's in the package (Netflix, Spotify etc.), are these services free, and forever or only for one year? - ... and the same when I drive outside Switzerland, will everything still work, and if so, what countries are covered, is it all of the countries that have at least one Supercharger?

That was a long post with a fair few irrelevancies obscuring your questions. Hopefully I weeded out what you want answered, above.

- Tesla works with Zurich Insurance to offer a special deal. One nice feature is that their premium (for this deal) is based on the pool of Tesla drivers only. These tend to be older, wealthier people who take care of their cars, so the premium is relatively low. You need to ask Tesla for the insurance contact; don't go direct to Zurich or through your own broker, you won't get anywhere near as good a deal. Trust me.
- Re. the VIN, you should indeed have one by now. Ask your assigned delivery guy.
- You will receive two cables and a few adapters. The basic cable has a 3-prong Swiss plug. Obviously, this works in standard 220V Swiss power outlets. For your anticipated very limited use of the car, I suggest you simply use those standard 220V outlets, charging at 8–9 km/h—which really means 5–6 km/h at this time of year (up to 35% range loss due to cold weather, depending on the size of your wheels). It would take about two days to top the battery up from 20–80%. You can use a Supercharger to boost the battery if needed.
- The number plates are installed for you at the time of collection. You can tell the delivery guy where to put them.
- Teslas are as ding-uppable as any other car. Personally, I don't bother with PPF or a car bra. But it's your choice, of course.
- Of course the car is fully imported, if you buy it from Tesla in Switzerland. They will arrange your registration certificate and even slap a highway vignette on the car. (Top tip: ask them for a 2020 vignette if you collect the car in December!)
- You get full internet and a free Spotify (or Spötify!!) Premium subscription for a year. Theoretically it's CHF 100 p.a. after that, although I've heard that many people aren't being charged. A Netflix subscription is at your own expense.
- Yes, it all works outside Switzerland, as long as there is an LTE signal (i.e. if your phone works, the Tesla infotainment should work too). You will find many more Superchargers outside Switzerland than in.

Enjoy.

[Fermano]

Thanks for the details! it's positive that it wasn't an outright no even some years ago.

The Juice Booster looks like a super useful thing as it lets a 22kW charger a 10min walk away fill the car in 2-3 hours (from 20%-30%, whatever's left, to 80%, the recommended top). Or at home, if we can work out something.

[Fermano]

Thanks 22 yards for all these details, very useful!

Upon asking Tesla, they only said, "we advise to have everything ready regarding your insurance and communicate the Stammnummer with them right before delivery" so I could've been left oblivious to the better pricing via Tesla, not sure why they didn't mention about it, now I asked.

Yes, to get to a fast charger, Vorarlberg has plenty of options, while on 1st look nothing above 50kW in most or all of St Gallen, despite its larger population (and likely, more EVs) on a smaller area

[AbFab]

	Quote:	Fermano
	Hi everyone, first post noob here! (Also, I've lived in Switzerland for the last two years only.) Lots of info, thanks! With my model 3 AWD arriving in a couple of weeks, I wonder what might be the approx. cost of the most basic Tesla 3 charging solution, ie. the simplest socket that charges electricity to my flat? The owner company hasn't replied yet; I'm renting here for the next 8 months to a few years, will know it next Summer. Reading some 4-digit numbers here, I became pretty nervous My use is, zero or one multi-hour drive day trip per week for skiing, sightseeing etc. (and over 10.000km per year on long road trips but that's supercharging). There are a couple of evpass etc. chargers in a 15min walking distance, I like a walking exercise Also, has anyone who's a tenant succeeded in convincing the landlord/company to pick up the costs (or similar investments)? The socket is an inseparable part of the building that stays after the rental ended, and they can advertise the apartment block in the future as EV-friendly, luring in well-off and likely considerate tenants by scoring points on features? Shouldn't eventually a number of sockets be a standard feature, as basic amenities or signal of eco-friendliness? (Btw. I'm a tad disappointed that there's no EV rebate in Switzerland, despite not worsening local air quality, and that some cantons are indifferent to EVs, or tax based on weight, which even disadvantages EVs due to their heavy battery. Also, with so much plastic packaging and products in shops, heavy SUVs everywhere and folks' preference for meat eating esp. beef, my initial impression of Switzerland as an environmentally friendly country has faded, but maybe one day...) So my plan is, "please install me the cheapest thing and I'll remain your tenant for at least X month and/or add an extra CHF20 per month to my garage rate" or offer a similar construct. Will definitely look around for other apartments if they give an "X CHF cash, take it or leave it" install offer if X is more than say CHF200. Was anyone in a situation like this, or has succeeded negotiating for a similar investment cost uptake? Does someone (esp. not in Zürich where the Tesla delivery center is) have experience with the logistics of receiving the car? Tesla only said, "hurray, vehicle is matched, it should arrive in a few weeks, there's importing into Switzerland etc etc we'll let you know". I got random questions like - can/should I prearrange insurance - and where - as I think Tesla itself isn't dealing with insurance in Europe? why am I not getting a VIN if a vehicle is matched? - what sockets can I use with the whatever charging cable I get, is it the 3 prong Swiss plug? - is the front mount for the license plate preinstalled for me, or can I get a kit so I can eg. get transparent bra (PPF protection layer) on the front bumper? - ... or is it something not routinely done in Switzerland and the Teslas don't get all dinged up in the often rocky or salty sleet as folks drive up and down to ski resorts? - will the car, as I hope, be fully imported when I get it, or do I have to run errands as Tesla Switzerland might act just as an agent and I have to actually do the bureaucracy of importing the car? - what's the connectivity, what's in the package (Netflix, Spotify etc.), are these services free, and forever or only for one year? - ... and the same when I drive outside Switzerland, will everything still work, and if so, what countries are covered, is it all of the countries that have at least one Supercharger? It's very easy to get US info but of course such stuff is local. My German isn't good yet for decent reading and though Tesla is a US company, all of my order related info is in German, they said they can't switch to English. My Tesla contact has good English though, but such info may have been shared in the past. In short, Swiss folks' purchase experience besides the "here's your car, here's our bank account" part.

Some rather rambling questions - many of which are covered on worldwide Tesla forums. I‘ll try and give you Swiss specific answers:

- Charging. You can plug into any household socket and the M3 comes with a plug that fits Swiss sockets. This is a slow process. I paid CHF1900 to have a Tesla wall connector installed in my garage by a firm recommended on the Tesla website. The wall charger was an additional CHF500.
The above is AC charging which is a max of 11Kwh. DC Superchargers will go up to 140Kwh.

- EV rebates don‘t exist here. But in Canton ZH at least there is no annual charge for the plates.

- I can only tell you about ZH. Tesla are not car dealers. They sent me the import documents by post 48 hours before collection. I had to arrange the transfer of plates directly with the Strassenvehkersamt. I traded a car in with Tesla. Drove the trade in to the pick up point and they fitted the plates.

You can‘t get plates without insurance. You don‘t need the green insurance paper, the insurance company send the info to the Strassenvehrkersamt electronically.

I was already with Zurich Insurance and they are partnered with Tesla, whatever that means.

- Conductivety is first year free. CHF100/year after.
I drove to the UK and back without problem and could watch Netflix through the Channel Tunnel.
Checkout abetterrouteplanner.com for supercharger outside CH.

[Fermano]

Thanks AbFab! Yes, skimmed through the posts here incl. your Chunnel connectivity post Whoa good to know that I can't arrange the number plate without proof of insurance

[Fermano]

...I just see my first posts (one on home install and one on delivery/use) merged into one, probably because I posted them as a new user under moderation

	Quote:	AbFab
	- I can only tell you about ZH. Tesla are not car dealers. They sent me the import documents by post 48 hours before collection. I had to arrange the transfer of plates directly with the Strassenvehkersamt.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but what's all this about import documents? I just collected my new Model X (yes. I know what I've written in the Tesla threads over the years. And I still love the sound of a V12. But apparently I had to modernise. ) with new plates (because I haven't sold my old cars yet), and there was no mention nor sight of import documents. I arranged the insurance in advance, of course, and when I turned up to collect the car, everything was done and dusted (except that they got the registered driver wrong, but that's another story). All I have to do is pay the Strassenverkehrsamt (invoice passed on by Tesla) for the plates and year's road tax.

	Quote:
	Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but what's all this about import documents? I just collected my new Model X (yes. I know what I've written in the Tesla threads over the years. And I still love the sound of a V12. But apparently I had to modernise. ) with new plates (because I haven't sold my old cars yet), and there was no mention nor sight of import documents. I arranged the insurance in advance, of course, and when I turned up to collect the car, everything was done and dusted (except that they got the registered driver wrong, but that's another story). All I have to do is pay the Strassenverkehrsamt (invoice passed on by Tesla) for the plates and year's road tax.

Ouch, you have to pay road tax in Basel even with a leccy car?

I was the same though, everything from registration to insurance was done when I picked it up...plates were on there and all they needed was a copy of my passport (or permit, I forget).

[DUTCH]

	Quote:
	collected my new Model X

For higher priced models, you still get the royalty treatment. Delivery with velvet sheet covered car in the nice showrooms. For Model 3, its DIY, delivery from a warehouse. All Model 3 buyers, generally, had to take the form 13.20A to Strassenverkehrsamt to get the car registered themselves. It was 2 mins job when collecting plates/graycard.


Also, congrats on Model X, you turncoat.

[Fermano]

I see folks "thanking" - I don't see any way to tag, where is it? If it's the balance thingy on the top right of a message, it only shows up on my messages, not on anyone else's

	Quote:	DUTCH
	For higher priced models, you still get the royalty treatment. Delivery with velvet sheet covered car in the nice showrooms. For Model 3, its DIY, delivery from a warehouse. All Model 3 buyers, generally, had to take the form 13.20A to Strassenverkehrsamt to get the car registered themselves. It was 2 mins job when collecting plates/graycard.

Oh. And there was I, feeling slightly deflated by the transfer ceremony—i was expecting a magnum of champagne, at the very least.

Actually, I was a bit annoyed by the general lack of client service and consideration. We had to trek 1.5 hours (by public transport!!!! ) all the way out to Höri (officially in the middle of nowhere) to collect my Model X at the same industrial warehouse at which all Tesla cars are delivered for Deutschschweiz, and frankly, the teenager who was tasked with showing me around the car knew less about it than I had gleaned from watching YouTube videos during the two months that I had to wait for the car to arrive. And there wasn't a velvet sheet anywhere to be seen.

What concerned me the most, though, was that I found paint defects on no fewer than five separate panels, all of which will be repainted at Tesla's expense, and a chip in one of the ludicrously expensive wheels, which they will replace. There were some other minor issues that Tesla has to fix, as well, but also a couple that they claimed were "within spec"—such as a rubber seal that was caught in the joint of the falcon wings. (What sort of design "specifies" misaligned seals?) After some heated debate, Tesla rectified that issue, too. The moral for our eager future Model 3 owner is, inspect the vehicle very thoroughly and report every single defect or issue that you find. You won't have a chance after you drive out through the gaping door of the cavernous warehouse.

	Quote:	DUTCH
	... you turncoat.

I know. I can barely live with myself.

I see this Tesla as part of the grand motoring experiment. I'm far from convinced that this is the time to make the switch, or even that it's the best way forward, but I'll take part and see where it goes. Personally, I think that once BEVs have proven themselves (and they haven't yet... RANGE!!!), hydrogen-powered battery-equipped cars will swoop in and rule the world. So I'll get one of those, one day, maybe soon.

	Quote:	Fermano
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[Fermano]

Thanks 22 yards. I've known about paint defect, scratch and misalignment issues as it is (or was?) a global Model 3 (etc.) issue.

I still hoped that here they sell the more meticulously made, QA-d or touched up vehicles, as Tesla know that Swiss folks are the most meticulous and discerning when it comes to fit and finish, what with the tradition of watchmaking, oderliness, cleanliness and precision manufacturing

Also, there were reports that the Model 3 quality improved with more recent deliveries. I hope they have good lighting in the delivery warehouse, or should I insist on an early daylight hour?

The trek to Höri is odd, do they make customers from all over Deutschschweiz to visit two faraway places, therefore dedicate an entire day just to pick up the car? I'll ask if one can go directly to the warehouse.

[AbFab]

Post 51 of this thread shows pics of the Höri collection warehouse:
https://www.englishforum.ch/3047419-post51.html

It‘s just north of Zurich Airport.

Post #29 of this thread mentions the forms Tesla sent me to collect my documents to transfer plates....