Tesla Fan Boy Thread

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Saw them, good photos!

Minor fix, the form id is 13.20A, so I was told. Probably the one referred to here: https://stva.zh.ch/internet/sicherhe.../FZimport.html

As this form is used for importing new cars by private persons, I wonder if they made you the importer, loading the hassle of paperwork or paying MWST, duties, levies etc. on you, or do companies use this form too and Tesla CH merely provided their own copy for you?

Wondering if it is how all car companies in Switzerland sell their cars. I expected that it's a transaction about a domestic product between two Swiss resident entities (Tesla CH and me) and I couldn't care less about how they got in possession of the car

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	The trek to Höri is odd, do they make customers from all over Deutschschweiz to visit two faraway places, therefore dedicate an entire day just to pick up the car? I'll ask if one can go directly to the warehouse.

You have to go directly to the warehouse, it's the only way to get your new Tesla.

One warehouse is at Höri (near Zürich, as AbFab pointed out, but not conveniently on an S-Bahn line; you need to take a train or two, then a Post bus, then a horse and carriage, and finally Shanks's pony to get there), the other in Geneva. While these are the largest cities in Switzerland, it would clearly have made much more sense to locate one of the warehouses oop north(-west). If Elon would just purchase UBS, he'd have a ready-built warehouse right next to the showroom at Bankverein in Basel.

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	You have to go directly to the warehouse, it's the only way to get your new Tesla.

Got it! What I tried to say is, hopefully one does not need to go to some Tesla office in Zürich proper before going to Höri. Ie. it's just a single trip to Höri.

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Haha weird quote formatting

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	Haha weird quote formatting

Not any more.

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	You have to go directly to the warehouse, it's the only way to get your new Tesla. One warehouse is at Höri (near Zürich, as AbFab pointed out, but not conveniently on an S-Bahn line; you need to take a train or two, then a Post bus, then a horse and carriage, and finally Shanks's pony to get there), the other in Geneva. While these are the largest cities in Switzerland, it would clearly have made much more sense to locate one of the warehouses oop north(-west). If Elon would just purchase UBS, he'd have a ready-built warehouse right next to the showroom at Bankverein in Basel.

I picked mine up at the Service Centre in Schlieren. Was that not an option? There is a direct train to/from Basel there.

[AbFab]

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	Saw them, good photos! Minor fix, the form id is 13.20A, so I was told. Probably the one referred to here: https://stva.zh.ch/internet/sicherhe.../FZimport.html As this form is used for importing new cars by private persons, I wonder if they made you the importer, loading the hassle of paperwork or paying MWST, duties, levies etc. on you, or do companies use this form too and Tesla CH merely provided their own copy for you? Wondering if it is how all car companies in Switzerland sell their cars. I expected that it's a transaction about a domestic product between two Swiss resident entities (Tesla CH and me) and I couldn't care less about how they got in possession of the car

The forms were complete and I paid nothing more and had to do nothing more, other than go the the Strassenverehrsamt (Hinwil for me) to arrange the transfer. Switzerland is very good on this and allows two cars to have the same registration for a day - as long as they are not driven together , the trade-in having a stamp in the grey book saying when it expires.

As to pick-up point. I was told it would be the Winterthur service centre, but this was changed with a week‘s notice to Höri (last February)...

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	I picked mine up at the Service Centre in Schlieren. Was that not an option? There is a direct train to/from Basel there.

No, the only option other than Höri was Geneva. Fitting, somehow, as there were virtually no options offered on the car.

Random question: what is the benefit of the CHF 530 Tesla wall charger? It seems a lot to pay for a cable and a mysterious box—a lot more than for an after-market cable to plug into a 380/400V outlet (which is also portable; handy if you're travelling somewhere where you know there'll be an outlet for a drier or some other 3-phase equipment).

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	No, the only option other than Höri was Geneva. Fitting, somehow, as there were virtually no options offered on the car. Random question: what is the benefit of the CHF 530 Tesla wall charger? It seems a lot to pay for a cable and a mysterious box—a lot more than for an after-market cable to plug into a 380/400V outlet (which is also portable; handy if you're travelling somewhere where you know there'll be an outlet for a drier or some other 3-phase equipment).

Very odd, must be something to do with which branch orders it for you etc - or maybe that's just how they do it now.

No idea on the Tesla wall charger - think it just looks nicer than a raw 16A plug. I only ever had the 16A charger which does ~1km / minute so plenty for anyone really.

[AbFab]

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	No, the only option other than Höri was Geneva. Fitting, somehow, as there were virtually no options offered on the car. Random question: what is the benefit of the CHF 530 Tesla wall charger? It seems a lot to pay for a cable and a mysterious box—a lot more than for an after-market cable to plug into a 380/400V outlet (which is also portable; handy if you're travelling somewhere where you know there'll be an outlet for a drier or some other 3-phase equipment).

A normal socket is going to get you about 8-10kms per hour added. My 220volt Tesla wall connector is on a 3 phase circuit and charges at the maximum for AC charging of 11Kwh which is 66-68kms per hour, which is done after 8pm at cheaper rate...

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	A normal socket is going to get you about 8-10kms per hour added. My 220volt Tesla wall connector is on a 3 phase circuit and charges at the maximum for AC charging of 11Kwh which is 66-68kms per hour, which is done after 8pm at cheaper rate...

In Switzerland, is it automatically a lower rate after 8pm, or does in need a specific contract or even a special install or meter? Btw. what's the approx. normal (or the cheaper) household rate? I saw evpass charges something like CHF 0.45 / kWh which looks rather expensive. While Ionity gives you a full charge for a flat CHF ~10 rate, which is less than half price if the battery is at 15-20%.

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Some other Model 3 delivery questions to those of you who've been through it:

- if ordered with the extra wheel set, do they mount it for a December delivery, or do they make you drive home on Summer tires to hen find and pay for an immediate wheel service?
- are the basics, ie. Winter-friendly floor mats included eg. all-weather floor liners or mats, cargo mats, roadside safety kit, tire repair kit and snow chains?
- if not, or for other general items, can I buy them upon delivery, or they need advance reservation, or even an extra errand to someplace else?

Haha moot point, much of it is solt out, but in ski country Switzerland and everywhere in Austria, snow chains (also sold out!) are also mandatory

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	What concerned me the most, though, was that I found paint defects on no fewer than five separate panels, all of which will be repainted at Tesla's expense, and a chip in one of the ludicrously expensive wheels, which they will replace. There were some other minor issues that Tesla has to fix, as well, but also a couple that they claimed were "within spec"—such as a rubber seal that was caught in the joint of the falcon wings. (What sort of design "specifies" misaligned seals?) After some heated debate, Tesla rectified that issue, too. The moral for our eager future Model 3 owner is, inspect the vehicle very thoroughly and report every single defect or issue that you find. You won't have a chance after you drive out through the gaping door of the cavernous warehouse.

So buying a Tesla is the same experience as returning a rental car?

[rainer_d]

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	In Switzerland, is it automatically a lower rate after 8pm, or does in need a specific contract or even a special install or meter? Btw. what's the approx. normal (or the cheaper) household rate? I saw evpass charges something like CHF 0.45 / kWh which looks rather expensive. While Ionity gives you a full charge for a flat CHF ~10 rate, which is less than half price if the battery is at 15-20%.

What you pay for electricity depends entirely on your energy-provider.
Ask your energy-provider!

Ionity will at some point also charge per kWh. Until then, it's admittedly unbeatable (unless you have free supercharging for life).

[AbFab]

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	Some other Model 3 delivery questions to those of you who've been through it: - if ordered with the extra wheel set, do they mount it for a December delivery, or do they make you drive home on Summer tires to hen find and pay for an immediate wheel service? - are the basics, ie. Winter-friendly floor mats included eg. all-weather floor liners or mats, cargo mats, roadside safety kit, tire repair kit and snow chains? - if not, or for other general items, can I buy them upon delivery, or they need advance reservation, or even an extra errand to someplace else? Haha moot point, much of it is solt out, but in ski country Switzerland and everywhere in Austria, snow chains (also sold out!) are also mandatory

1) I ordered winter tyres, which were on the car when collected in February. Tesla partner with Euromaster. The wheels are stored by them (you can opt to take them with you) and you make an online appointment in 'October and Easter' with about a week's notice and they change them.

- you can do this all yourself.

2) No winter kit supplied - or needed really. You can preheat the car and all 5 seats if necessary. Keep a scaper in the car. 4x4 and winter tyres mean chains are not needed. EDIT - I think Austria can be precious about chains. I don't go there.

3) There are a number of online suppliers of Model 3 extras - most are pointless...

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	1) 4x4 and winter tyres mean chains are not needed. EDIT - I think Austria can be precious about chains. I don't go there.

Yes, it's a must when crossing the Austrian border in the colder months, and so is when driving on snowy Swiss mountain roads, eg. for skiing, and there's a road sign mandating chains. It's more to do with deceleration - all cars have four braking wheels - than acceleration. If you can't start your car, the consequences aren't as bad as when you can't stop it.

Safety kits (red triangle, bandages, yellow vest etc.) are mandatory, all over Europe.

Snow chains and safety kits being out of stock at Tesla is weird, will need to ask. These are mandatory items unlike sun shades and roof racks, which are in stock.

[AbFab]

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	Yes, it's a must when crossing the Austrian border in the colder months, and so is when driving on snowy Swiss mountain roads, eg. for skiing, and there's a road sign mandating chains. It's more to do with deceleration - all cars have four braking wheels - than acceleration. If you can't start your car, the consequences aren't as bad as when you can't stop it. Safety kits (red triangle, bandages, yellow vest etc.) are mandatory, all over Europe. Snow chains and safety kits being out of stock at Tesla is weird, will need to ask. These are mandatory items unlike sun shades and roof racks, which are in stock.

I have only used chains about 3 times in the last 30 years here. In bad winter weather chains are often obligatory in Switzerland, but not for 4x4s. I wouldn't worry about it...

[Tom1234]

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	I have only used chains about 3 times in the last 30 years here. In bad winter weather chains are often obligatory in Switzerland, but not for 4x4s. I wouldn't worry about it...

Shall we all have another discussion about the difference between grip and traction?

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	Shall we all have another discussion about the difference between grip and traction?

If your car fails to get grip, you end up in traction?

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	I have only used chains about 3 times in the last 30 years here. In bad winter weather chains are often obligatory in Switzerland, but not for 4x4s. I wouldn't worry about it...

Again, my understanding is if there's a roadside sign, it applies to AWDs, and cars with Falcon wings, and EVs, and... cars, period.

Even if it were not mandatory: just last season, I used chains twice, and should've used them one more time. If there's a sliver of chance one can end up on snowed-up roads - which is almost a given in Switzerland, except for the flat parts with regular weather forecast checks - not having snow chains is inexcusable, whether it's a Model 3 AWD with even weight distribution or not. Amortized cost over the lifecycle of the vehicle is below 1CHF per month but it can be the difference between a normal ski trip and an uncontrolled, accelerating slide down a serpentine. As it's mostly offtopic, I won't post more but here's an on-topic thread with your posts as well as frightening outcomes in Swiss hillsides https://www.englishforum.ch/transpor...-winter-2.html