Tesla Fan Boy Thread

[rainer_d]

It's a hotly debated topic on reddit etc.

Basically, there are always rumors that the Performance-model is just a software-update and Tesla could enable the performance-mode also on the LR-AWD version.
Just like FSD is just a software-flag (once the hardware is built-in).

Swiss customs seems to believe scuttlebutt ;-)

	Quote:	rainer_d
	It's a hotly debated topic on reddit etc. Basically, there are always rumors that the Performance-model is just a software-update and Tesla could enable the performance-mode also on the LR-AWD version. Just like FSD is just a software-flag (once the hardware is built-in). Swiss customs seems to believe scuttlebutt ;-)

It's a bit like overclocking a CPU or chip tuning a car. Nothing new really.

[karol.k]

	Quote:	Fermano
	Mystery of 361kW Leistung in the Ausweis is solved: reportedly, Swiss customs agents simply add up the performance of the front and rear wheel motors. It might be a change of policy. Wondering if their concern is that at least in theory, an OTA update may enable the stealth-type higher performance. Which they might think has a nonzero chance as Tesla enabled rear seat heating on standard models, enabled additional performance (acceleration) and battery capacity on occasion. This paragraph is pure speculation, maybe different Swiss customs agents just do it differently. I'd escalate though if I lived in a canton that taxes cars based on performance (kW/hp) as the 361kW is not something that the car will deliver (standard AWD model).

My 13.20 form just arrived and it's also showing 361 kW on standard AWD. It also seems that the number is going up, because I found some posts on teslaclub.ch which said that couple of months ago they got 340 kW, same as AbFab.

For now it's not an issue for me, because Basel doesn't tax on that, but I might move to Aargau next year and there it makes a difference (BTW, what's the logic behind taxing horsepower??).
How would one go about correcting this?

[Fermano]

There are cantons that tax based on weight, so EVs are actually disincentivised compared to ICE cars. Switzerland to be fairly complacent and unfazed when it comes to environmental thinking, whether it's about of local impact such as throwing away garbage (or let it be blown by the Föhn), polluted, smelly roads even near schools or global effects eg. CO2, oh and abundant, clearly overdone plastic packaging. Local muni worker spat back ICE carmaker talking points when I asked about preferential taxation of EVs, country is 10yrs or so behind California in awareness

[Fermano]

Oh this is timely https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-mode...st-upgrade-2k/

I got version 10.1 installed yesterday. Still no Netflix from what I can see, but there is the new "caraoke" mode, which is great (less so for others in the car!) - could see it turning road trips into a lot of fun.

[AbFab]

	Quote:	Fermano
	Oh this is timely https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-mode...st-upgrade-2k/

This is now available in Switzerland as "acceleration boost" in Add-ons in your online Tesla account - CHF2000 to increase acceleration from 4.6sec 0-100 to 4.1secs.

However my power has already been increased twice since buying February 2019 by 5% and a further 5%, which according to the internet should get me about 4.2secs 0 - 60mph...

PS - this applies only the dual motor long range model.

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	I got version 10.1 installed yesterday. Still no Netflix from what I can see, but there is the new "caraoke" mode, which is great (less so for others in the car!) - could see it turning road trips into a lot of fun.

Apparently you access Netflix through the big T in the top middle of the screen and it is by the Arcade section - pretty well hidden for such a primo feature!

[AbFab]

	Quote:
	Apparently you access Netflix through the big T in the top middle of the screen and it is by the Arcade section - pretty well hidden for such a primo feature!

On the Model 3 it's under "Entertainment" on the sub-menu accessed with a '^'...

[Fermano]

	Quote:	AbFab
	This is now available in Switzerland as "acceleration boost" in Add-ons in your online Tesla account - CHF2000 to increase acceleration from 4.6sec 0-100 to 4.1secs. However my power has already been increased twice since buying February 2019 by 5% and a further 5%, which according to the internet should get me about 4.2secs 0 - 60mph... PS - this applies only the dual motor long range model.

I'm unimpressed too if this is the delta, looks like an offer to skip. Tesla has charged $2k for sleeper models in various countries at various times - though they claimed it's not available upon purchase through the internet or over the phone in Switzerland -, with a 3.5s pre-update and internet reported 2.9s post-update 0-100 acceleration. I'm glad to part with this kind of money if it is equitable but this change isn't going to turn an AWD into a stealth. Maybe these numbers are erroneous as the whole thing might be an accidental leak, although if I understand you now it shows up not as a leak but as an actual upgrade to buy.

[Fermano]

Folks bought and have been testing it, the perf is at the midpoint between LR AWD and stealth, ie. around a 0.5s improvement on 0-100km/h https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thre...1#post-4309885

[skgolf]

	Quote:	Fermano
	Folks bought and have been testing it, the perf is at the midpoint between LR AWD and stealth, ie. around a 0.5s improvement on 0-100km/h https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thre...1#post-4309885

yup, that's what's reported with $2k upgrade.. glad i got my stealth model 3 back in the US a month ago. too bad i won't be able to drive it until March when i go back for the summer...

[Fermano]

tl;dr does anyone have a positive or at least passable experience with fast, non-Tesla charging networks like what Ionity claims?

I was interested in non-Tesla charging for many reasons:

- Clearly, there is a broader selection of chargers if one doesn't stick to Tesla Superchargers only; more optimal distances are possible (Superchargers are spaced rather unevenly, sometimes 100km between planned stops, sometimes 270km)
- some Ionity chargers offer a much higher kW than Superchargers
- Ionity is a flat CHF8 / EUR8 while a Model 3 10->80% charge is about twice as much, and it's fun to brag about how little a 1500km road trip cost
- again, Ionity claims that their stations have the cables so you don't need to carry the blue cable
- in my very limited experience, the Tesla Superchargers are placed in barren areas, sometimes with nothing more than a shoddy petrol station with bad coffee and mammal meat only, dry sandwiches; sometimes they're quite a bit of detour
- I hoped that Ionity chargers will be found in scenic, or at least, well equipped rest areas that I came to like over time, eg. at the Mondsee, or Steinhäusl etc. as obviously, one has a bunch of time to eat, shop or relax in comparison to an ICE trip

The reality poured cold water on this idea, based on a single experience at the frequented Steinhäusl stop (Landzeit "castle") West to Vienna, but maybe it was a bad apple?

- Ionity needed pre-registration, credit card details and app installation before the trip (this is somewhat OK but no idea why they don't just have a card reader per site; the problem is that there are dozens of disparate networks in Europe)
- It was hard to locate the nondescript chargers
- I wasn't sure those were my chargers because the word "Ionity" never occurred; some other brand name did; nobody charged at any of the stalls; and there were no charging cables, only holes
- As the Ionity app said there were some 200kW+ charger(s) there, I skipped the single 50kW and two 22kW ones, starting at one that had no performance marking - it turned out to be a whopping 11kW :-)
- Even as it is, the sequence of using and paying through the app, linking your payment to the specific charger, being able to insert the cable etc. took a 30-40min trial and error, plus a phone call or two, and resulted in a double charge
- As the 11kW would've been too slow at the early part of my return trip, I detached my car, but then I couldn't detach my own cable from the bloody machine; resolving it took another call, and they registered my need to cancel both charges, but they couldn't promise anything because they're not directly Ionity
- The Ionity app is bad - there's no way to properly locate the chargers, or reliably search for the high performance ones (the guy on the phone said, there biggest Steinhäusl charger is 50kW) and there's no filtering or even clickable info on whether the specific charger is directly Ionity, or random 3rd party
- The abetterrouteplanner site helpfully put out a mobile app just before my trip, which is great because ABRP simply doesn't work in the Tesla browser - slow connection; as you're not logged in the browser, it always forgets your settings; it can't navigate if you make a plan; but you can't just go back to the browser occasionally as the page reloads from scratch every single time you go into the browser again
- Also, ABRP has no way of listing allowed chargers eg. Tesla and Ionity, let alone 1st party Ionity
- It's a shortcoming of Tesla rather than Ionity, and completely irrelevant in retrospect, but battery preconditioning only occurs when navigating with the Tesla to a Supercharger

All in all, it was a thoroughly bad experience and, knowing that German carmakers founded Ionity, they may not be interested in a good experience, or they may even have disincentive as the German made car fleet is not significantly electrified.

As I had around 10% juice at this major rest station which was a bad spot for EVs, it was great to pull in the next Supercharger for flawless and effortless charging

[rainer_d]

So, in other words, all those ID.3 buyers are going to have a rude awakening?

While the EQC looks nice (if unavailable) and the eTron is more readily available (but offers even worse economy), I think I'll rather wait for the Y, if I can.

Though, Bjørn Nyland in his videos doesn't really have any complaints about the ionity chargers in Norway and it looks like he uses them a lot.

But then, it's Norway. They are Europe's BEV hotspot.


Proves again that you apparently need an American company to figure out the UX or it will suck.

The car that has been built exclusively to annoy forum member StirB
https://www.elektroauto-news.net/202...hr-reichweite/

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The car that has been built exclusively to annoy forum member StirB https://www.elektroauto-news.net/202...hr-reichweite/

English forum:

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-mode...ersion-obrist/

I probably won't buy

[user137]

	Quote:	WilliamTell
	Instead of buying a CHF 50K Tesla I will instead invest CHF 100K in Tesla stocks (bargain price at USD 200.00) and wait a year. Then I will cash in my Tesla stocks and buy a Model 3 for the profit.

So did you do it in the end? You'd have 235k CHF by now, buying you a Model 3 Performance (heck, even a Model S P100D) and still returning your money with a decent 10% yoy gain.

[AbFab]

	Quote:	user137
	So did you do it in the end? You'd have 235k CHF by now, buying you a Model 3 Performance (heck, even a Model S P100D) and still returning your money with a decent 10% you gain.

I was so impressed with my Model 3 that I bought TSLA stock at $205 in June 2019. Currently at $469 and when it hits $500 they will have paid for the car!!

[rainer_d]

I bought neither.
:-(


I have notoriously bad judgment on these things.

[AbFab]

	Quote:	Fermano
	tl;dr does anyone have a positive or at least passable experience with fast, non-Tesla charging networks like what Ionity claims?

I looked into non-Tesla charging before a trip to the UK in October. It involved about a dozen apps and a total mess - with different charging structures and all requiring registration (as does Tesla of course).

In the event, Superchargers got us there and back without problem and for €50 each way. Dorset is a Supercharging desert, but I knew this and charged up accordingly.

In Switzerland I have only used Meienfeld and St Moritz Superchargers, otherwise I charge at home.

The advance of non-Tesla EVs is going to be seriously disadvantaged unless a viable infrastructure is rapidly put in place...

Supercharging in France: