Tesla Fan Boy Thread

[GenevaSculler]

	Quote:	krlock3
	What are people's experiences of charging their Tesla with a normal wall socket here in Switzerland?

We have an S90 and are charging it exclusively from a standard wall socket in the garage. Not fast, but ample for what we use it for currently (short commutes during the week, some longer weekend trips). No issues with anything getting hot.

We are doing some work on the house later this year and will probably take the opportunity to fit a faster charger then.

[rainer_d]

I'd have that checked out by an electrician anyway.


The lower the amperage, the more inefficient the charging becomes.
I.e. it will cost more to "fill the tank".

[AbFab]

	Quote:	krlock3
	What are people's experiences of charging their Tesla with a normal wall socket here in Switzerland?

I did this for the first 6 weeks. Just shoved it in the nearest socket in the garage. Charged at 11km per hour. Compared to the Tesla wall charger which comes in at 67km per hour.

I hope to go 100% solar for charging in a couple of months...

[AbFab]

	Quote:	gaburko
	These are completely ridiculous valuations. I was lucky the first time I shorted them, but I ain't touching them again. Market cap > VW and market share <1% tells me the guys propping Tesla have unlimited amount of oil..ooops, sorry, money.

So TSLA is about to popped $1,000 !!

	Quote:	GenevaSculler
	We have an S90 and are charging it exclusively from a standard wall socket in the garage. Not fast, but ample for what we use it for currently (short commutes during the week, some longer weekend trips). No issues with anything getting hot. We are doing some work on the house later this year and will probably take the opportunity to fit a faster charger then.

We've done the same with our Model X, which does a long trip every Wednesday and every weekend. Charging overnight at 10A easily replenishes the battery after the short trips on other days.

Re. fitting "a faster charger", we looked around and surprisingly couldn't find any better value charger than Tesla's wall charger (unless you want one that can charge two cars simultaneously). But I'm waiting for the glass-fronted units that Tesla sells in the US to come to Europe.

	Quote:	AbFab
	So TSLA is about to popped $1,000 !!

It passed that point this morning. Tesla is now the world's most valuable carmaker. I'm not excited about it staying at #1 while the US plunges over a recession/depression cliff, though.

[GenevaSculler]

	Quote:
	Re. fitting "a faster charger", we looked around and surprisingly couldn't find any better value charger than Tesla's wall charger (unless you want one that can charge two cars simultaneously). But I'm waiting for the glass-fronted units that Tesla sells in the US to come to Europe.

Thanks. Good to hear we aren't the only ones doing it that way.

I actually already bought the Tesla wall charger, but we are waiting for the other building work to start to see where the electrician can pull the thicker cable through to...

[Sonax]

Hi all!

I'm seriously considering buying a model 3, I'm living in Wiedikon, Zurich. At the moment I don't have a garage to charge it, so I would be dependent on public charging stations (at least until I move next year in Sept).

Do you think it would be feasible to own a Tesla in the center of Zurich without having home charging? Are there other convenient charging spots besides the Tesla supercharger ones?

In terms of usage I might do a few short trips during the week and longer i.e. ski trips during the weekend.

Appreciate your feedback!

[AbFab]

	Quote:	Sonax
	Hi all! I'm seriously considering buying a model 3, I'm living in Wiedikon, Zurich. At the moment I don't have a garage to charge it, so I would be dependent on public charging stations (at least until I move next year in Sept). Do you think it would be feasible to own a Tesla in the center of Zurich without having home charging? Are there other convenient charging spots besides the Tesla supercharger ones? In terms of usage I might do a few short trips during the week and longer i.e. ski trips during the weekend. Appreciate your feedback!

Many Model 3 owners charge only at Superchargers. This is more expensive, but quicker than home charging - either way is cheaper than petrol/diesel!

Long term there are some questions about only Supercharging and battery life. But whether firm figures have been established is another matter.

There are other charging opportunities, but none as fast and cheap as Tesla's - unless you find a free one.

Before you order, PM me first and I will send you my code so we can both benefit from free Supercharging for 1500kms...

[rainer_d]

	Quote:	Sonax
	Hi all! I'm seriously considering buying a model 3, I'm living in Wiedikon, Zurich. At the moment I don't have a garage to charge it, so I would be dependent on public charging stations (at least until I move next year in Sept). Do you think it would be feasible to own a Tesla in the center of Zurich without having home charging? Are there other convenient charging spots besides the Tesla supercharger ones? In terms of usage I might do a few short trips during the week and longer i.e. ski trips during the weekend. Appreciate your feedback!

You can check
https://www.goingelectric.de/stromtankstellen/


In Wiedikon, it's tough IMO.

	Quote:	AbFab
	There are other charging opportunities, but none as fast and cheap as Tesla's - unless you find a free one.

If there is an MParc -- the large shopping developments owned by Migros and populated almost exclusively by Migros-owned stores -- in the area, you should be able to find free charging at 32A/22kW (and reserved parking close to the entrance of the building ). Migros offers these to promote their own electric vehicle operastion, m-way.

Also, OP: download the PlugShare app to see all the public chargers (and even some private chargers!) in your area. There will be many, many options near you.

One thing to consider if you leave the car on the street without connecting it to a charger is managing its "phantom drain". The battery will lose charge every day/night, just sitting there. Usually you can count on a loss of at least 3% overnight but in cold weather, this can escalate dramatically. The other day I was visiting friends in Yverdon-les-Bains and parked with only 14% charge (already too low, ideally you shouldn't let the battery deplete to less than 20%). I set the Model X to "Power off", but in the morning the battery was at 5%. That was the first time I have ever had to pay for a public charger (I have free Supercharging). I found the charger through PlugShare -- it was all of 200 metres away. Cost me a whopping CHF 6 or 7 to charge to 25%, then I drove to the nearest Supercharger.

	Quote:	rainer_d
	You can check https://www.goingelectric.de/stromtankstellen/ In Wiedikon, it's tough IMO.

Yup, looks like Wiedikon itself is not brimming with charge points. But there are plenty nearby:

[rainer_d]

The problem is that most of the housing in Wiedikon is very old.


Very few parking garages.



Even the parking beneath UBS that we use has none - and the boss has an iPace.
We have outlets for our eBikes, though.
;-)


There's a parking-place near Schmiede Wiedikon, next to the park that is also an SBB Mobility point. They could probably build some chargers there, if t hey wanted.



I would, in any case, contact the city of Zurich and tell them that you are buying an EV and because you can't charge it, you will be moving away.


Though, TBH, the City of Zurich wants more or less all private cars out of the city anyway, electric or not. So they probably don't care.


But things may change and if enough people write enough "I'm out" mails, it will eventually be heard.

[rainer_d]

	Quote:
	If there is an MParc -- the large shopping developments owned by Migros and populated almost exclusively by Migros-owned stores -- in the area, you should be able to find free charging at 32A/22kW (and reserved parking close to the entrance of the building ). Migros offers these to promote their own electric vehicle operastion, m-way. Also, OP: download the PlugShare app to see all the public chargers (and even some private chargers!) in your area. There will be many, many options near you. One thing to consider if you leave the car on the street without connecting it to a charger is managing its "phantom drain". The battery will lose charge every day/night, just sitting there. Usually you can count on a loss of at least 3% overnight but in cold weather, this can escalate dramatically. The other day I was visiting friends in Yverdon-les-Bains and parked with only 14% charge (already too low, ideally you shouldn't let the battery deplete to less than 20%). I set the Model X to "Power off", but in the morning the battery was at 5%. That was the first time I have ever had to pay for a public charger (I have free Supercharging). I found the charger through PlugShare -- it was all of 200 metres away. Cost me a whopping CHF 6 or 7 to charge to 25%, then I drove to the nearest Supercharger.

BTW:

Did you get the consumption of your X a bit lower over time or did Tesla manage to fix it?

	Quote:	rainer_d
	BTW: Did you get the consumption of your X a bit lower over time or did Tesla manage to fix it?

No to both! Tesla keeps telling me "it's within specification" (standard response to every complaint). Range improved a bit over summer, but the 22" wheels are definitely a problem and I'm looking for 20" wheels for winter. No way will I buy the massively overpriced Tesla wheels @ CHF 5,000.

My other major issue with the Model X is the noise. Ridiculously high inside the cabin at speed, for a car with no explosions in the engine. Again, tyre choice has a lot to do with this so I've searched out the quietest winter tyres on the market.

Incidentally, the summer tyres have covered almost 35,000 km and are now shot. That's not bad,apparently, for a Tesla, although much earlier than I'd expect to replace tyres on an ICE SUV.

[rainer_d]

Ah, well.

There are apparently body-shops who add insulation to the wheel-housings and maybe even better door-seals that can somewhat improve the noise.

It's probably more difficult on the X than on the 3.

As for the tires - that seems to be a side-effect of drive-shaft problems, which ultimately ask for a complete redesign of the X (which may or may not be coming in Spring, given the recent price-increase).

AFAIK, you have to put the air-suspension into "very low" and drive like that all the time.

https://tff-forum.de/t/gibt-es-antri...modell-x/34094

And maybe adjust tread-width.

It's a big issue IMO and not really suited to enhance Tesla's image in the eyes of current owners...
Also keeps me from even contemplating to buy the X in its current form, TBH.

The X is a design that was way ahead (or still is) of its time, built well below the standards and means available at the time.

BTW: Model Y from China are expected to show up in Europe as soon as December or January, but I haven't heard from any reservation-holders that they have been contacted, yet.
Would love to go for a test-drive in one.

[iustin]

	Quote:	rainer_d
	BTW: Model Y from China are expected to show up in Europe as soon as December or January, but I haven't heard from any reservation-holders that they have been contacted, yet. Would love to go for a test-drive in one.

It looks like only now (mid-December) Shanghai will start mass-production of Model Y, so the original rumours about Dec/Jan to Europe were a couple of months too early. See https://twitter.com/jpr007/status/1339628293922799617 - "Latest field intelligence says that Model Y production has now met Standard Operating Procedures in Shanghai and is up and running". Well, as much as one can believe Twitter

[AbFab]

Hardware 3 (HW3) is at last becoming available in Switzerland. As a pre-April 2019 with Full Self Driving (FSD) I am entitled to a free upgrade.

I phoned them in October and they said it was coming “soon”, but no further word from them. So last weekend I booked my Model 3 in on the app for an upgrade and blow me I have a date in early January for fitting HW3.

Winterthur Service Center advise it will take approx 4 hours and will give me a loaner...

[DUTCH]

Think the upgrades have been happening for few months already in CH. Mine was updated in early November from HW2.5 to HW3, after getting informed on the app in October that I should book an appointment. Car started recognising speed limit signs and traffic lights and recently some road markings.

[DriveLab]

Congrats for your first Tesla! I have mine since one year and it's the best car I ever had. Today I also ordered winter socks
They are a legal replacement for snowchains. I highly recommend that, even with 4WD.