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"Teslas require hands on the wheel, or they stop."


If that's true it's a more recent development. I've had a demo of self driving in a taxi in France and he didnt touch the wheel for a good minute or more...

This has been the case with our Tesla for about 18 months now. Its not possible to go into self driving without the hands on the steering wheel. Also if the car doesnt "feel" resistance by the driver on the steering wheel it takes itself out of self driving. Essentially you get a warning flash of light on the dashboard to provide more resistance on the wheel and if it doesnt detect that it switches out of self driving.


Its also not possible to start self driving remotely (ie via app), "a driver" is needed.
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Old 19.04.2021, 13:58
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Re: Tesla Fan Boy Thread

"Two men were killed after a Tesla car crashed into a tree and caught fire in Texas, and police believe there was nobody present in the driver's seat at the time of the accident."

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56799749

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Old 19.04.2021, 14:05
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"Two men were killed after a Tesla car crashed into a tree and caught fire in Texas, and police believe there was nobody present in the driver's seat at the time of the accident."

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56799749

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Re: Tesla Fan Boy Thread

This incident and reporting of it looks a bit suspicious:

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-elon...iHrEtjfh4WJYeI
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Old 20.04.2021, 10:44
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Re: Tesla Fan Boy Thread

In better news, Model 3 prices came down last week. The model I specced in a previous post was reduced by chf 1750
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Old 20.04.2021, 10:57
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This incident and reporting of it looks a bit suspicious:

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-elon...iHrEtjfh4WJYeI
It's a pity that info went first to a bot account on twitter instead of the local police:

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Mark Herman, Harris County Constable Precinct 4, said evidence including witness statements clearly indicated there was nobody in the driver's seat of the Model S when it crashed into a tree, killing two people, on Saturday night.

Herman said a tweet by Musk on Monday afternoon, saying that data logs retrieved by the company so far ruled out the use of the Autopilot system, was the first officials had heard from the company.

"If he is tweeting that out, if he has already pulled the data, he hasn’t told us that," Herman told Reuters. "We will eagerly wait for that data."
https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ss-2021-04-19/
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Anyway, it makes the news round the world when a Tesla crashes or catches fire. The other 171,500 a year in the US alone car fires are not newsworthy. Petrol is of course the safest in a car fire...
Reminds me of the blood clots potentially caused by a certain covid vaccine in very rare cases ...
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Old 27.04.2021, 06:33
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Re: Tesla Fan Boy Thread

For all you electric car lovers.

"Electric cars: What will happen to all the dead batteries?"

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56574779

So much for carbon neutral.
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For all you electric car lovers.

"Electric cars: What will happen to all the dead batteries?"

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56574779

So much for carbon neutral.
Yawn. The article is actually talking about increased recycling efforts, and quotes a number of manufacturers who do that already. Also, https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla...104626498.html.

If your only other solution is to continue burning oil, then sorry, but your argument is flawed.
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Old 27.04.2021, 11:48
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Re: Tesla Fan Boy Thread

By the way, just made a quick search in autoscout. There are 3 Tesla S models with steep discounts from years 2016 and 2017 still in the hands of car dealers in Switzerland.

Anyone wants to hold the bag for these poor guys?

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/autos/..._asc&vehtyp=10
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Old 27.04.2021, 11:56
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By the way, just made a quick search in autoscout. There are 3 Tesla S models with steep discounts from years 2016 and 2017 still in the hand of car dealers in Switzerland.

Anyone wants to hold the bag for these poor guys?

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/autos/..._asc&vehtyp=10
They're definitely looking less and less attractive as the new model launch date approaches... and I wouldn't touch an 85 D, much less a 70 D, unless I expected to make hardly any long-distance trips (which is the opposite of the use car for my Tesla).

However, if you're looking for a car for local trips and need the interior space, those prices are great!
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Old 27.04.2021, 12:06
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For all you electric car lovers.

"Electric cars: What will happen to all the dead batteries?"

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56574779

So much for carbon neutral.
Perhaps the journalist should spend some.time finding sources who actually know what they're talking about.

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Apparently Dr Anderson has never heard of modern smartphones, which continue to be adopted at an astonishing rate since the first iPhone appeared less than 15 years ago.
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Old 27.04.2021, 12:15
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Apparently Dr Anderson has never heard of modern smartphones, which continue to be adopted at an astonishing rate since the first iPhone appeared less than 15 years ago.
Last I read from Switzerland is a technical discussion between auto-schweiz (association of auto importers) and the bundesrat on what to do with the batteries of old cars. At the time the technical solution was being discussed, but with the certainty of just choosing one methodology among the many available.

But, money problems. So far no tax is collected for the recycling of electric auto batteries, something equivalent to what you pay for smartphones or battery drills (3 CHF?). I'd assume that recycling a car battery is a larger job that phone one, so more money.

https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/do...-id-76033.html
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Old 27.04.2021, 13:07
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By the way, just made a quick search in autoscout. There are 3 Tesla S models with steep discounts from years 2016 and 2017 still in the hands of car dealers in Switzerland.

Anyone wants to hold the bag for these poor guys?

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/autos/..._asc&vehtyp=10
Quite a mystery where these essentially unused vehicles came from. Only Tesla sell new cars. These are the old „dummy radiator models“ - perhaps early classics now??
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Old 27.04.2021, 13:11
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Yawn. The article is actually talking about increased recycling efforts, and quotes a number of manufacturers who do that already. Also, https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla...104626498.html.

If your only other solution is to continue burning oil, then sorry, but your argument is flawed.
Carbon neutral my ass. The batteries are made in one part of the world, shipped by plane or ship (polluting much more than cars ever do) to the factories in another part of the world, then the cars get shipped to wherever in the world, again by ship (polluting again).

And have you factored in how many more power stations are going to be needed to charge all these wonderful electric vehicles; not talking just cars, but also the push for lorries to be made electric as well? Unless you've got hydro-electric facilities using seawater you're going to need - guess what - oil/coal/nuclear power plants. Wind turbines won't cut it unless you want forests of them all over the world and even then I'm not sure they could handle the demand.
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Old 27.04.2021, 13:14
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So much for carbon neutral.
'carbon neutral' is just marketing/greenwashing.

There's no such thing.
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Old 27.04.2021, 13:16
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Carbon neutral my ass. The batteries are made in one part of the world, shipped by plane or ship (polluting much more than cars ever do) to the factories in another part of the world, then the cars get shipped to wherever in the world, again by ship (polluting again).

And have you factored in how many more power stations are going to be needed to charge all these wonderful electric vehicles; not talking just cars, but also the push for lorries to be made electric as well? Unless you've got hydro-electric facilities using seawater you're going to need - guess what - oil/coal/nuclear power plants. Wind turbines won't cut it unless you want forests of them all over the world and even then I'm not sure they could handle the demand.
Yeh, let go back to horse - but only if we have enough feed for them.

My car runs of roof panels...

...of course PV panels were made in Mexico.
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Carbon neutral my ass. The batteries are made in one part of the world, shipped by plane or ship (polluting much more than cars ever do) to the factories in another part of the world, then the cars get shipped to wherever in the world, again by ship (polluting again).

And have you factored in how many more power stations are going to be needed to charge all these wonderful electric vehicles; not talking just cars, but also the push for lorries to be made electric as well? Unless you've got hydro-electric facilities using seawater you're going to need - guess what - oil/coal/nuclear power plants. Wind turbines won't cut it unless you want forests of them all over the world and even then I'm not sure they could handle the demand.
What the heck is your problem? Are you trolling or what else are you doing in this thread?

Do you understand that electric motors are *3 times* more efficient than internal combustion ones? And that wholesale move to electric cars will therefore reduce the *overall* demand for transportation energy *three times*? So yes, we will need more electricity, but much less oil/etc.

I'll have to search how to block users, because I'm this thread to read about Tesla in Switzerland, not to discuss *again* electric cars vs ICE cars with people who can't understand technology.
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Old 27.04.2021, 13:24
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Carbon neutral my ass. The batteries are made in one part of the world, shipped by plane or ship (polluting much more than cars ever do) to the factories in another part of the world, then the cars get shipped to wherever in the world, again by ship (polluting again).

And have you factored in how many more power stations are going to be needed to charge all these wonderful electric vehicles; not talking just cars, but also the push for lorries to be made electric as well? Unless you've got hydro-electric facilities using seawater you're going to need - guess what - oil/coal/nuclear power plants. Wind turbines won't cut it unless you want forests of them all over the world and even then I'm not sure they could handle the demand.
One thing's for sure, a Tesla is no Nissan Qashqai!

(Being the perfect car, all Qashqais are built exclusively from discarded food scraps, in factories located no more than 10 km from the end users. They run on carbon monoxide and methane, scrubbing the air clean wherever they go.)
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Carbon neutral my ass. The batteries are made in one part of the world, shipped by plane or ship (polluting much more than cars ever do) to the factories in another part of the world, then the cars get shipped to wherever in the world, again by ship (polluting again).

And have you factored in how many more power stations are going to be needed to charge all these wonderful electric vehicles; not talking just cars, but also the push for lorries to be made electric as well? Unless you've got hydro-electric facilities using seawater you're going to need - guess what - oil/coal/nuclear power plants. Wind turbines won't cut it unless you want forests of them all over the world and even then I'm not sure they could handle the demand.
There are worse things than electric cars:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...obal-power-use
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