Tesla Fan Boy Thread

[smarley]

	Quote:	SwissTan
	6) Tesla incrased supercharging fees from 52cts/kwh to 66cts/kwh. That's insane considering our energy costs are not as high as the rest of europe and we have more internal production. It's still cheaper than gas but still annoying (charging at home is 3 times cheaper btw)

Not for long right?
In St Gallen the energy will go from 20 cents to 55 on next year. Probably electric will worthy if you can charge at work, and the supercharger fees will go higher too.
I did not saw increase on price of diesel for example, it's around 2.10 here.

[BritS]

	Quote:	SwissTan
	I forgot to update you guys. The delivery date got pushed back a bit and I took delivery first week of september. I already put 2100km on it and I'm in love with the car. A few things I dislike about the car: 1) The nav language can only be set to British English, no American English available. I freaking hate that 2) Phantom braking is real, even more so at night, the car will randomly slam on the brakes for no reason 3) Speed signs are completely ignored in Switzerland. The car can read them perfectly in Italy (the font is only slightly different, nothing else). Which is very annoying 4) Auto lane changes are PAINFULLY SLOW. This is not a problem if nobody is on the other lane, however if you want to pass someone and other cars keep coming up on the left lane you better do it manually because the car will refuse to do it and if it attempts doing it it will very likely end up going half way before suddenly reverting back to your original lane (scary and dangerous) 5) the pedestrian warning system is too freaking loud in reverse. It'll get the cops called on me eventually 6) Tesla incrased supercharging fees from 52cts/kwh to 66cts/kwh. That's insane considering our energy costs are not as high as the rest of europe and we have more internal production. It's still cheaper than gas but still annoying (charging at home is 3 times cheaper btw) outside of that, the car is something from the future!

1) Certainly living in the German bit of CH, American or British makes no difference to me as you really need to set it to German voice if you don't want a really jarring pronunciation every time it says a street name I have since turned spoken navigation off, it's quite annoying in general.

2) Yup, happens way too often for my liking.

3) Haven't had this issue to be honest, it gets them most of the time, even if they are Temp / Roadworks.

4) I generally only use autopilot to remain in one lane because of this. If i need to overtake, do so manually, get back into "slow" lane and re-engage autopilot.

5) I don't think I have that enabled yet?! Good!

6) Still on the grandfathered free supercharging on this car, since i guess it won't transfer into my next purchase, i think I'll hold on to my current car a while longer (although the new X looks sexy).

For auto steering, does anyone have the magic recipe for how to best hold the steering wheel so that it doesn't ask all the time to move the steering wheel a bit?

[AbFab]

	Quote:	SwissTan
	I forgot to update you guys. The delivery date got pushed back a bit and I took delivery first week of september. I already put 2100km on it and I'm in love with the car. A few things I dislike about the car: 1) The nav language can only be set to British English, no American English available. I freaking hate that 2) Phantom braking is real, even more so at night, the car will randomly slam on the brakes for no reason 3) Speed signs are completely ignored in Switzerland. The car can read them perfectly in Italy (the font is only slightly different, nothing else). Which is very annoying 4) Auto lane changes are PAINFULLY SLOW. This is not a problem if nobody is on the other lane, however if you want to pass someone and other cars keep coming up on the left lane you better do it manually because the car will refuse to do it and if it attempts doing it it will very likely end up going half way before suddenly reverting back to your original lane (scary and dangerous) 5) the pedestrian warning system is too freaking loud in reverse. It'll get the cops called on me eventually 6) Tesla incrased supercharging fees from 52cts/kwh to 66cts/kwh. That's insane considering our energy costs are not as high as the rest of europe and we have more internal production. It's still cheaper than gas but still annoying (charging at home is 3 times cheaper btw) outside of that, the car is something from the future!

1) I use German, as the English pronunciation of street and place names is a joke.

2) Phantom braking is better than it was, but still there.

I have stopped using FSD which illuminates some of the other dislikes! 3) and 4)

5) I don't have this (2019 Model 3)

6) I only use Superchargers on road trips. This month in France the cost was €0.50-ish. That said there is no way I would embark on a 2000km road trip in an EV that was not a Tesla. The Supercharging system is superb and years ahead of the rest.

My other half has a VW iD.3. The build quality, headlights, automatic wipers, speed-sign recognition is far better than the Tesla's.

VW's software and software interface is a complete and complicated mess. Efficiency is poor for a smaller car and away from home charging a nightmare. I would never take the iD out of range of home charging.

Oh, and it performs like a lame dog...

[BritS]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	For auto steering, does anyone have the magic recipe for how to best hold the steering wheel so that it doesn't ask all the time to move the steering wheel a bit?

Avoiding all moral / common sense rebukes, I have found resting my elbow on the window sill and hand 11 o'clock of the wheel is normally good enough. Occasionally have to do a little wiggle with the fingers, but generally not too bad.

[smarley]

Anyone here in the queue for end of year deliveries?
I did the reservation of model 3 on 17-Sep-2022 with a promise to deliver on nov/dec, let's see.

I've done the first long trip this weekend (to Holland and back) and am really impressed with the supercharger network. Navigating from supercharger to supercharger is really nice, especially as they always have capacity and are plug and play.
Also, enhanced autopilot is nice. I've used it during at least half the trip and is super relaxed when driving on empty highways late at night.

[Babenas]

Are there any rumours on Model S (non-Plaid) availability in Switzerland?

[Hausamsee]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I've done the first long trip this weekend (to Holland and back) and am really impressed with the supercharger network. Navigating from supercharger to supercharger is really nice, especially as they always have capacity and are plug and play. Also, enhanced autopilot is nice. I've used it during at least half the trip and is super relaxed when driving on empty highways late at night.

And some have nice rest/coffee/food facilities too….

[AbFab]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I've done the first long trip this weekend (to Holland and back) and am really impressed with the supercharger network. Navigating from supercharger to supercharger is really nice, especially as they always have capacity and are plug and play. Also, enhanced autopilot is nice. I've used it during at least half the trip and is super relaxed when driving on empty highways late at night.

I would be interested in non-Tesla EVs, but their killer feature is the Tesla Supercharger network. This stops me looking elsewhere!

From what I read on forums other manufacturers from VW, Porsche, Polstar, Kia etc have nothing like it and need at a minimum a credit card to use - at worst a membership card and often the chargers are out of order.

Teslas you simply plug in!

[rainer_d]

	Quote:	Babenas
	Are there any rumours on Model S (non-Plaid) availability in Switzerland?

No.
Plaid orders will be fulfilled starting at the end of this year, at least in Germany.


I wouldn't expect the non-Plaid S and X to arrive anytime well into 2023.

[BritS]

	Quote:	rainer_d
	No. Plaid orders will be fulfilled starting at the end of this year, at least in Germany. I wouldn't expect the non-Plaid S and X to arrive anytime well into 2023.

I ask every time I am near the shop / in the garage and the latest info from them was mid 2023. Without any guarantee, obviously!

[Never TheLess]

	Quote:	AbFab
	I would be interested in non-Tesla EVs, but their killer feature is the Tesla Supercharger network. This stops me looking elsewhere! From what I read on forums other manufacturers from VW, Porsche, Polstar, Kia etc have nothing like it and need at a minimum a credit card to use - at worst a membership card and often the chargers are out of order. Teslas you simply plug in!

Tesla has around 10000 Superchargers in Europe, I have access to 355,000. Tap the RFID card when I want to start charging and again when finished. That's it. Charged monthly to my Wise card.

[BritS]

	Quote:	Never TheLess
	Tesla has around 10000 Superchargers in Europe, I have access to 355,000. Tap the RFID card when I want to start charging and again when finished. That's it. Charged monthly to my Wise card.

Out of interest, how many are "fast" chargers and how much are you paying per kwh?

I also wouldn't be opposed to a different electric car, but charging network is the biggie.

Do you have a map of all of these chargers?

[rainer_d]

	Quote:	Never TheLess
	Tesla has around 10000 Superchargers in Europe, I have access to 355,000. Tap the RFID card when I want to start charging and again when finished. That's it. Charged monthly to my Wise card.

That may very well be true - but what many people don't realize is that if that charger can't for some reason bill you, you won't get any juice. Like at a gas-station.

Tesla (at least for Tesla vehicles) does not care too much about that. The charger will juice you up regardless of billing. I've heard that you can see that on your monthly bill, when a charging-session is billed with zero.

Tesla, if you want to put it that way, cares more about your mobility than about chasing every last penny from anybody who charged. Because Elon knows that you might have an emergency at 2 AM, be at 1% with the next charger 100km away.

That is why I still believe that overall, Tesla has the best charging solution. They realized early on that chargers aren't just gas stations.

A lot would need to change for that to be no longer true.

[naza]

	Quote:	rainer_d
	That may very well be true - but what many people don't realize is that if that charger can't for some reason bill you, you won't get any juice. Like at a gas-station. Tesla (at least for Tesla vehicles) does not care too much about that. The charger will juice you up regardless of billing. I've heard that you can see that on your monthly bill, when a charging-session is billed with zero. Tesla, if you want to put it that way, cares more about your mobility than about chasing every last penny from anybody who charged. Because Elon knows that you might have an emergency at 2 AM, be at 1% with the next charger 100km away. That is why I still believe that overall, Tesla has the best charging solution. They realized early on that chargers aren't just gas stations. A lot would need to change for that to be no longer true.

+ 1

in addition what I've noticed.

Tesla superchargers are always well illuminated and easy to find. seems like non value add but try looking for a charger in a hotel arriving at 2am at night. most non-Tesla chargers are broken or super difficult to operate at night (at least for me)

the navigation and route planning with planned stops at the superchargers has completely removed range anxiety for me

[Never TheLess]

	Quote:	BritS
	Out of interest, how many are "fast" chargers and how much are you paying per kwh? I also wouldn't be opposed to a different electric car, but charging network is the biggie. Do you have a map of all of these chargers?

There's an HPC charger close to where I work, I get 560 - 650 from that, I found another in Kt. Bern, there are many others I would guess. Last month 27kwh cost 19 CHF inc mwst. I have a charger at home, so I don't use public chargers often anyway, therefore I have the no monthly fee option but pay more per kwh.

https://chargemyhyundai.com/web/hyun...p?locale=de_CH

[Aneedabath]

I'm eagerly waiting for the 7 seater Model Y, so does anyone know if this will eventually come to Switzerland? If not, then I don't see too much benefit in getting Y over 3 and the 3 looks much nicer as the design, shape and size seems to flow much better than the Y having a big AS* at the back, which doesn't seem to flow.

[rainer_d]

Nobody knows.
It's unclear if it ever materializes in Europe.

I think the BMW iX is also available as a 7 seater version - though an EQV is probably a bit more practical, depending on the intended use of the extra seats.


Grünheide doesn't even produce cars with white seats - apparently due to lack of demand not justifying a production-run...



I can't imagine there being more orders for 7-seaters than white seats, TBH.

[naza]

	Quote:	Aneedabath
	I'm eagerly waiting for the 7 seater Model Y, so does anyone know if this will eventually come to Switzerland? If not, then I don't see too much benefit in getting Y over 3 and the 3 looks much nicer as the design, shape and size seems to flow much better than the Y having a big AS* at the back, which doesn't seem to flow.

I had this same question myself but the Y is really much more spacious in the back and the trunk is much larger. Those are the 2 reasons for me why choose the Y over the 3

If you are considering a 7-seater than I'm guessing you have a big family in which case the Y would make more sense. Sit in both of them and decide.

I think all Teslas have an awful design (the S can almost get away with it but not quite) but the tech, practicality and network make a huge difference... I also spend more time in the car than looking at it from the outside