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Old 27.04.2019, 20:47
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The local electricity company (EW Hofe in my case) came around and offered to install charger for a fixed pauschale price of 2000.- (pulling the cables upto 20m and installing the included Menneke charger box, 11kW, 16A). But this ties with a 5year electricity contract with 0.5 Rappen/kWh surcharge for hydroelectricity (nicely hidden in small print). Without this the price is 2300.-, which is what I am going for.
The wall device is actually a `connector`- the charger is in the car. It converts A/C to D/C current. 2,300 including the connector is a normal price. This should give you about 65km/hour charge.

I had one quotation offering a timing device to take care of night rate electricity at CHF400. But this is done on the Model 3 screen...
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Re: Tesla Model 3 Fan Boy Thread

Got my offer for the Tiefgarage:

1. Total CHF 4630.00 including 35 m of cable (FE0D Dca) and a Mennekes Amtron Typ B Ladestation at a cost of 2514.00

2. Total CHF 4987.00 with a Tesla Ladestation. Tesla charging station has a sticker price of 3533.00 in their offer.

My German is not very good, so difficult for me to decipher the offer, but at 3533.33 it looks like they plan to install a supercharger in my home

This is the local electrical company in our little village, who already have drawings of the building we live in. They also suggested we get approval first from all other tenants in the building (12 apartment in two buildings share the garage).

What if ask them to just install a plug, like the one you run a washing machine on. That should have a few Amps, or perhaps not?
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Got my offer for the Tiefgarage:

1. Total CHF 4630.00 including 35 m of cable (FE0D Dca) and a Mennekes Amtron Typ B Ladestation at a cost of 2514.00

2. Total CHF 4987.00 with a Tesla Ladestation. Tesla charging station has a sticker price of 3533.00 in their offer.

My German is not very good, so difficult for me to decipher the offer, but at 3533.33 it looks like they plan to install a supercharger in my home

This is the local electrical company in our little village, who already have drawings of the building we live in. They also suggested we get approval first from all other tenants in the building (12 apartment in two buildings share the garage).

What if ask them to just install a plug, like the one you run a washing machine on. That should have a few Amps, or perhaps not?
Maybe the terminology is confusing, but why are you installing any kind of charging station? You literally only need a plug - even a normal wall socket would probably do at home (adds about 10km / hour), and a 16A one will do about 1km / minute as Abfab said above. You need no more power generation than a wall plug.
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Old 29.04.2019, 19:18
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Re: Tesla Model 3 Fan Boy Thread

I went for the first 4 weeks quite satisfactorily charging from a normal plug, but felt I needed a faster charge and so bought a Tesla Wall Connector (Abt CHF450) and has a local Tesla approved company mount and install it all.

They quoted CHF 2100 but their bill came the other day and was CHF1800...
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Maybe the terminology is confusing, but why are you installing any kind of charging station? You literally only need a plug - even a normal wall socket would probably do at home (adds about 10km / hour), and a 16A one will do about 1km / minute as Abfab said above. You need no more power generation than a wall plug.
Yea, I think I will go talk to these guys. It was my wife (who speaks German) who got the quote, and I feel it is way to high. Why are they charging over CHF 3000.00 for a CHF 500.00 Tesla wall charger?

16A plug is plenty, at 1km a minute. I assume I will need an additional cable from Tesla? I can also charge at work for a small fee (35 km commute each way).

This tiefgarage charging dilemma is the only thing holding me back.

What about the neighbors, did you inform/consult/seek approval from them before calling in the electricians?
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Old 30.04.2019, 09:56
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Yea, I think I will go talk to these guys. It was my wife (who speaks German) who got the quote, and I feel it is way to high. Why are they charging over CHF 3000.00 for a CHF 500.00 Tesla wall charger?

16A plug is plenty, at 1km a minute. I assume I will need an additional cable from Tesla? I can also charge at work for a small fee (35 km commute each way).

This tiefgarage charging dilemma is the only thing holding me back.

What about the neighbors, did you inform/consult/seek approval from them before calling in the electricians?
Model 3 comes with both a 'destination connector' in blue for non-Tesla charging and a connector for domestic plugs. Unfortunately, all Model 3s delivered to Switzerland have a German plug on them! I had to buy a CHF15 adaptor from Fust.

If you use a domestic socket, you will charge at about 11kms/hour. Arrive home at 7pm, leave at 7am and you could add 132kms. Only problem as I see it is that you woud be using communal electricity and would have to come to a deal with management and neighbours on this.

Try a quote from these people. Approved Tesla installers who installed my Wall Connector. They breezed through it in 2.5 hours and were under quoted price:
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Yea, I think I will go talk to these guys. It was my wife (who speaks German) who got the quote, and I feel it is way to high. Why are they charging over CHF 3000.00 for a CHF 500.00 Tesla wall charger?

16A plug is plenty, at 1km a minute. I assume I will need an additional cable from Tesla? I can also charge at work for a small fee (35 km commute each way).

This tiefgarage charging dilemma is the only thing holding me back.

What about the neighbors, did you inform/consult/seek approval from them before calling in the electricians?
Again I see this terminology (in bold) above.

No chargers should be installed - the charger is on board your Tesla. According to Abfab your Tesla comes with a Mennekes and Standard Tesla cable - so you get an electrician to fit a 16A plug in your charging space and worst case scenario you need to buy an adapter for your included Tesla cable to fit it to a 16A socket (15chf from Jumbo sounds about right for this).

I did have to tell my Verwaltung, but since everyone was paying their own electricity bill, the electricians just connected my 16A cable through my electricity meter - I guess this is a simple procedure for them.
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Try a quote from these people. Approved Tesla installers who installed my Wall Connector. They breezed through it in 2.5 hours and were under quoted price:
https://sinfla.ch/
Good to hear that, but I wonder if they like to travel all the way to our place.
Does anyone have any good experiences with electricians in Zurich west?

I'm having a similar problem as some in this thread: our particular Verwaltung claims they have no idea where the garage plans are, and seem incapable of asking one of the two other Verwaltungs operating these buildings for them.
I pointed out that one of the neighbours (neighbouring building) already had a charging plug installed, so it can't be impossible; now I'm waiting to hear more.
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I did have to tell my Verwaltung, but since everyone was paying their own electricity bill, the electricians just connected my 16A cable through my electricity meter - I guess this is a simple procedure for them.
Did you have to arrange the plans (Grundriss) of your garage for the electrician, or were they able to obtain that independently?
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I was standing next to a Model X at the traffic light today and noticed how bad the finish is. The door was so poorly aligned that is was clearly visible.
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Did you have to arrange the plans (Grundriss) of your garage for the electrician, or were they able to obtain that independently?
Luckily, my building was a new build, so I was able to specify I wanted it before moving in. The same people doing the electrics for the tower block installed the charger, so I guess they had all the plans to hand.
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Good to hear that, but I wonder if they like to travel all the way to our place.
Does anyone have any good experiences with electricians in Zurich west?

I'm having a similar problem as some in this thread: our particular Verwaltung claims they have no idea where the garage plans are, and seem incapable of asking one of the two other Verwaltungs operating these buildings for them.
I pointed out that one of the neighbours (neighbouring building) already had a charging plug installed, so it can't be impossible; now I'm waiting to hear more.
A good installer may not need plans. Mine didn‘t ask for them, they were able to trace which did what with their eyes and brains!

The Wall Connector came with detailed instructions in only English and Chinese! The installers said they didn‘t need them and threw the instructions with the packaging in the back of their van to dispose of all the rubbish...
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The only thing stopping me from taking out the credit card and ordering a Tesla 3 on my iPad, is that I cannot charge it in my Tiefgarage. I have a quote from the village electric company, but it is quite expensive. They worked on this building when it was built, they have the plans and work with the building management company - but I am not buying the car until I see the plug on the wall. Not being able to charge at home is a deal breaker.

Also, the total cost of the privelage of charging your car in a Tiefgarage is up to 6% of the total cost of the car.


Tesla 3 Model - Price in CHF - % of total cost
Rear wheel drive, 415km range - 48,200.00 - 83.84%
Color (not black) - 1,050.00- 1.83%
Cooler Rims - 1,600.00 - 2.78%
Winter tires with standard rims - 2,150.00 - 3.74%
Bearbeitungsgebühren - 990.00 - 1.72%
Wall charger (Tiefgarage, max cost) - 3,500.00 - 6.09%

Total cost - 57,490.00 - 100.00%
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Also, the total cost of the privelage of charging your car in a Tiefgarage is up to 6% of the total cost of the car.

Wall charger (Tiefgarage, max cost) - 3,500.00 - 6.09%
CHF 3,500 (and that's before the cost of the actual electricity) would pay the fuel bill for around 20,000 km for my large, diesel SUV. Just sayin'... these newfangled cars that run on electrickery seem to harbour quite a few hidden costs.

And does anyone know yet what happens when the battery dies? I'm not buying the official line that the battery only loses 5% of its capacity after 80,000 km. My phone manufacturer said something similar...
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CHF 3,500 (and that's before the cost of the actual electricity) would pay the fuel bill for around 20,000 km for my large, diesel SUV. Just sayin'... these newfangled cars that run on electrickery seem to harbour quite a few hidden costs.

And does anyone know yet what happens when the battery dies? I'm not buying the official line that the battery only loses 5% of its capacity after 80,000 km. My phone manufacturer said something similar...
check this ad: https://www.autoscout24.ch/6647790
the seller claims only 8% degradation after 200000 km
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And does anyone know yet what happens when the battery dies? I'm not buying the official line that the battery only loses 5% of its capacity after 80,000 km. My phone manufacturer said something similar...
The motor already lasts 1 million km, and the goal is to have batteries that also last 1 million km (ca. 2500 cycles, at 400Km per cycle).
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There is an 8 year guarantee on the batteries and they will replace if the charge level fall below 70% of original capacity...
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The only thing stopping me from taking out the credit card and ordering a Tesla 3 on my iPad, is that I cannot charge it in my Tiefgarage. I have a quote from the village electric company, but it is quite expensive. They worked on this building when it was built, they have the plans and work with the building management company - but I am not buying the car until I see the plug on the wall. Not being able to charge at home is a deal breaker.

Also, the total cost of the privelage of charging your car in a Tiefgarage is up to 6% of the total cost of the car.


Tesla 3 Model - Price in CHF - % of total cost
Rear wheel drive, 415km range - 48,200.00 - 83.84%
Color (not black) - 1,050.00- 1.83%
Cooler Rims - 1,600.00 - 2.78%
Winter tires with standard rims - 2,150.00 - 3.74%
Bearbeitungsgebühren - 990.00 - 1.72%
Wall charger (Tiefgarage, max cost) - 3,500.00 - 6.09%

Total cost - 57,490.00 - 100.00%
Although the ability to charge an EV at home is a great convenience and the cheapest way, no one fills their ICE powered cars at home. Would it not be possible to use Tesla Supercharger? There is a new 24 stall one opening in Deitikon on May 8...
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I am a Tesla newbie still stumbling my way about while waiting for it to arrive. Tesla has a battery warranty for 8 years or 160k KM with minimum 70% battery capacity.

That is a long enough period for me to not worry about it. Not saying its irrelevant, just it was not a burning issue on my purchase decision. YMMV.
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Tesla has a battery warranty for 8 years or 160k KM with minimum 70% battery capacity.
I'd be more than slightly peeved if my ICE car manufacturer thought that a loss of 160 km range (due to increased fuel consumption, for example) after just 7 years was acceptable, and outside warranty terms.

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Although the ability to charge an EV at home is a great convenience and the cheapest way, no one fills their ICE powered cars at home.
Restoring an ICE-powered car to maximum range takes 5-10 minutes at a service station. It takes all night for an EV, and even if a Supercharger is conveniently located on the next day's route, it takes much more than a blink of an eye to recharge.

There's no need to fill up an ICE car at home.
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