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Driving a friends Swiss registered car (van) in EU countires.

What do I need to do to drive a fellow Swiss resident's Swiss registered van through several european countries, and ultimately to the UK and back?

Am I obliged to register for a months exemption on first crossing into the EU on leaving Switzerland?

Is a month the longest I can ask for?
Any tips/advice on what forms I need to fill out?

There are a few similar threads on this here already:

Can non EU tourist drive a Switzerland registered car into Austria & Germany?

Plus this article in the local:
https://www.thelocal.ch/20140606/ger...border-mistake

Laws change often!

I once found a notarised document in a car I bought, basically the previous owner giving permission to someone else to drive it. Do I need a document like that? Must is be notarised? or is it just overkill?
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Old 05.03.2019, 11:45
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Re: Driving a friends Swiss registered car (van) in EU countires.

Are you a Swiss or non-EU resident?
Your nationality is not important, all what matters is your residency status. (Newspaper etc. often erroneously use the term citizen)

If yes than you can bring and use the a Swiss registered car in the EU customs region as a tourist for up to one year. Formless and w/o any declaration based on the Istanbul Convention on Temporary Admission and the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic from 1968

Best if the holder mentioned in the gray papers signs (in front of a notary) a power of attorney which allows the use of the car abroad. You might even want to get an apostille. Specially the Italians are known to persist on such a POA. In other countries it can smooth the process at the border in case of a thorough check. Notarizing and Apostille cost approx CHF 20 each.

Here a multi language template.
https://www.tcs.ch/mam/Digital-Media...ttpersonen.pdf
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Re: Driving a friends Swiss registered car (van) in EU countires.

You can get it notarised at your commune.

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Re: Driving a friends Swiss registered car (van) in EU countires.

And what if you are an EU resident?
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Re: Driving a friends Swiss registered car (van) in EU countires.

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And what if you are an EU resident?
All the bad stuff that happened to the German guy in the newspaper article could apply to you!

Fortunately I am Swiss resident right now. Phew. Thanks aSwissInTheUS.
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Re: Driving a friends Swiss registered car (van) in EU countires.

The rule of thumb is very simple:

You are not allowed to drive a car in a tax region in which you are registered but the car is not.

There are a few exceptions like owner is sitting next to you, or short term allowance etc.
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The rule of thumb is very simple:

You are not allowed to drive a car in a tax region in which you are registered but the car is not.

There are a few exceptions like owner is sitting next to you, or short term allowance etc.
A person living Britain can not drive a Swiss registered in car in France, nothing to do with tax registration. Hire cars seem to be exempt once again.
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A person living Britain can not drive a Swiss registered in car in France, nothing to do with tax registration. Hire cars seem to be exempt once again.
Custom area would be correct.
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A person living Britain can not drive a Swiss registered in car in France, nothing to do with tax registration. Hire cars seem to be exempt once again.
Hired cars can be subject to a short term allowance, and are not excepted by default.

Also have you really never heard of the EU VAT Area?
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Re: Driving a friends Swiss registered car (van) in EU countires.

I think there should be some kind of procedure for temporary import.
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Also have you really never heard of the EU VAT Area?
Maybe he has. Maybe he also knows that the EU VAT area and the EU Customs area are not the same. And maybe he also knows that the usage of foreign vehicles is a customs issue and not a VAT or tax issue.

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custom...territories_en
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I think there should be some kind of procedure for temporary import.
There are.
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Hired cars can be subject to a short term allowance, and are not excepted by default.

Also have you really never heard of the EU VAT Area?
Yes it's a customs free trade area, noting to do with personal taxation.

Car rental companies at Geneva Airport currently believe they are exempt by default. 3 years ago they did not & had more German than Swiss cars to rent out, now just Swiss.
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Maybe he has. Maybe he also knows that the EU VAT area and the EU Customs area are not the same. And maybe he also knows that the usage of foreign vehicles is a customs issue and not a VAT or tax issue.

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custom...territories_en
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Car rental companies at Geneva Airport currently believe they are exempt by default.
Their believe is wrong.
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Old 05.03.2019, 17:14
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Their believe is wrong.
Strange how all the operators 3 years ago rented EU cars to EU residents, now they say it's no problem & have been saying this for the last 6 cars I rented in Geneva.
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Strange how all the operators 3 years ago rented EU cars to EU residents, now they say it's no problem & have been saying this for the last 6 cars I rented in Geneva.
Well they do not have to pay the fines

This is what the EU says:
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If you plan to travel with your rental car both in EU and non-EU countries – for example from Switzerland to France, Germany, Austria or Italy – you need to tell the rental company in advance. They can provide you with an EU-registered car in order to comply with EU customs laws. Most car rental companies in Switzerland provide cars with EU number plates for EU residents in order to comply with EU customs rules, but you should check with your car rental company.
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...d/index_en.htm

Most EU countries however allow for a short term allowance which the driver has to arrange.

So I am still convinced that the car companies are wrong until I've been proven otherwise.
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A person living Britain can not drive a Swiss registered in car in France, nothing to do with tax registration. Hire cars seem to be exempt once again.

At this point, I'm going to ask my old question again... because I still don't have the answer, 3 years on.


I am a UK resident. I am also a Swiss resident (B permit). I commute home (UK) most weekends.


Here, I own a Swiss registered car. I regularly drive into France for holidays at our house there.


If I drive over the border... am I OK? What if my wife (who is solely a UK resident) is driving?


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At this point, I'm going to ask my old question again... because I still don't have the answer, 3 years on.


I am a UK resident. I am also a Swiss resident (B permit). I commute home (UK) most weekends.


Here, I own a Swiss registered car. I regularly drive into France for holidays at our house there.


If I drive over the border... am I OK? What if my wife (who is solely a UK resident) is driving?


Regards


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Assuming you have a Swiss driving license you can take the car anywhere except the UK. If you got stopped in the UK you would probably OK with a Swiss license as Plod & Customs won't understand the concept of dual resident.

Your wife can't drive the car out of Switzerland unless you are with her, she definitely can not drive a Swiss car in the UK
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Assuming you have a Swiss driving license you can take the car anywhere except the UK. If you got stopped in the UK you would probably OK with a Swiss license as Plod & Customs won't understand the concept of dual resident.

Your wife can't drive the car out of Switzerland unless you are with her, she definitely can not drive a Swiss car in the UK
Given how high the fines are I would not settle for a "probably"
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