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Doesn't one have to get Full insurance if the car is on the loan or a lease?
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Doesn't one have to get Full insurance if the car is on the loan or a lease?
Lease yes, loan no.

Or maybe it depends on the loan. Don't know about car specific loans, but if it's a personal loan they don't care what you've done with the money as long as you pay them, a lease is different as the car doesn't belong to you.
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Re: The real cost of running a car in 2019 ?

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Petrol: Cheapest for short- to medium drives on the countryside (few stops and go's)

Diesel: Best for long distance drives (and cheap at the moment due to the Diesel scandal)

Hybrid: Best for stop&go in the city with occassional longer distances

Electric: Cheapest if you can use free electricity at work to charge it Otherwise more expensive in buying but less expensive in running compared to similar expensive cars, great acceleration (but keeping distance in mind)
what's the cut-off (in km) between medium and long distance?
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what's the cut-off (in km) between medium and long distance?
I don't know is there an official answer, but in my head it's when there is more than 10km at 80 km/h or above. With the traffic in this country that is not always a predictable quantity.

For the point of a learners car for the kids, I think diesels can be more forgiving if learning manual with the additional torque from low revs. This could be completely subjective to my own experiences.
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Limited to how many KM per year ??


Pssssst. The service isn't free, you or somebody else pay's up front for the service.


With a leasing you have to have a full insurance (casco) for the entire duration of the lease and it's far more expensive than if you buy the car without a lease.


The list price is irrelevant, they all the manufacturers are falling over backwards to sell cars at present and soon they'll add in a triple axel to sweeten the deal
Yep, i understand it isn't free! However, my Audi A3 in the UK was around 350 for a service so paying 120 for the oil and nothing else is a nice deal, even the cost is made up elsewhere!

i pay 1200 full casco with Axa.

I am limited to 20k kms per year, which for me is ample.
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Re: The real cost of running a car in 2019 ?

My benzine Toyota Avensis gives average mileage of 60mpg or 3.9 L per 100km. I am under impression that I would not get much better mileage out of diesel version. Am I wrong?
The engine is weak making around 148 Hp, but that is what most cars have.
If I am forced to buy another car I would definitely pick a car with no less than 190 Hp. It is annoying at times to drive a full size sedan with a scooter motor inside.
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I don't know is there an official answer, but in my head it's when there is more than 10km at 80 km/h or above. With the traffic in this country that is not always a predictable quantity.

For the point of a learners car for the kids, I think diesels can be more forgiving if learning manual with the additional torque from low revs. This could be completely subjective to my own experiences.
I hate FWD diesels precisely because of the additional torque, TBH I prefer RWD with a more powerful engine as I enjoy driving.
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I hate FWD diesels precisely because of the additional torque, TBH I prefer RWD with a more powerful engine as I enjoy driving.
As ever, more power is more better.

For learners such as the swisspeas teenagers, a lower powered car will teach more in relation to clutch control with a lower possibility/bonus of burnouts.
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Re: The real cost of running a car in 2019 ?

Cars don't cost the purchase price - they cost the DEPRECIATION

Nobody keeps a car forever, you are going to sell at some point. The depreciation can be a huge modifier, and it is the single most convincing argument for used cars.


So if you're buying new, bring in the depreciation cost as well, because it's going to be significant. If you lease new, with a reasonable downpayment and reasonable residual value, what you pay, is what the car will actually cost you (more or less).

Additionally, diesel vs gas is a big debate, and has even more moving parts lately. My definitely-not-an-economy petrol car, commutes me back and forth Zurich-Zug daily, and returns a fairly impressive 7.5 lt/100 Km as it's mostly highway driving. In the city I'm easily over double that - so it depends a lot on your use case. If you take into consideration the regulatory risk of diesel in the future, that is certainly higher than petrol, then depreciation might take away any profits from the lower fuel consumption. Also, diesel in Europe is cheaper, but in CH it's not.

So bring out your spreadsheets, and do your math, because it DEPENDS
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My benzine Toyota Avensis gives average mileage of 60mpg or 3.9 L per 100km. I am under impression that I would not get much better mileage out of diesel version. Am I wrong?
The engine is weak making around 148 Hp, but that is what most cars have.
If I am forced to buy another car I would definitely pick a car with no less than 190 Hp. It is annoying at times to drive a full size sedan with a scooter motor inside.
got only 68 hp in my car

At least most traffic jams will be behind me
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Nobody keeps a car forever, you are going to sell at some point.
Speak for yourself, I've never sold one.

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My benzine Toyota Avensis gives average mileage of 60mpg or 3.9 L per 100km. I am under impression that I would not get much better mileage out of diesel version. Am I wrong?
The engine is weak making around 148 Hp, but that is what most cars have.
If I am forced to buy another car I would definitely pick a car with no less than 190 Hp. It is annoying at times to drive a full size sedan with a scooter motor inside.
That is weak indeed, i got more in each wheel than that

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got only 68 hp in my car
One of our SUVs has only 50!

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As ever, more power is more better.

For learners such as the swisspeas teenagers, a lower powered car will teach more in relation to clutch control with a lower possibility/bonus of burnouts.

Hell! At 17 my first set of wheels was a 383 Fury!
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Hell! At 17 my first set of wheels was a 383 Fury!
'68 420g, at 16.

When we went to the races, the muscle car guys called me "The Transporter".
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Re: The real cost of running a car in 2019 ?

Shame, I will keep on driving my car until it halts to complete stop along the highway ... Oh shacks I forgot to refuel it ... broom broom


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Hi everyone,


after 11 years car-less (or car-free)... I really have no idea what it costs and how to get set up with a car...but it's on my list for 2020!.


Alternatively, leasing short-term for a few months (especially over summer) to do some substantial road tripping... eg. we borrowed a friend's car last summer and drove Zurich - Prague over a week, and returned in one day...



So...what is the real cost of running a car in Switzerland - not exactly, because I know it will vary, but how does it all work ?
- registration
- insurance ? What sorts ? what to look for to make it 'comprehensive'.

- petrol/electric/diesel ?



Oh, and I should add, part of the motivation is our two teenagers will be soon wanting to learn to drive, which is a life-skill, even if they don't actually need a car for their daily life... and we certainly don't plan to buy them one!


Have you looked at carvolution.com? their business model looks very interesting and they are trying to disrupt the regular leasing business. you can own a car for as less as 3 months and can change to another one if you wish. you pay a monthly fees for the ownership (like a leased payment) but you are only tied for 3 months and all the other costs like insurance, road tax, maintainancce, road taxes, tyers etc are all included in the price. they say their cars are new or in mint condition.

looks very interesting business model for me and i may try a car from them in the coming days. (although i have an old one).

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One of our SUVs has only 50!

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