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Old 27.03.2019, 11:12
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Road safety: Vehicle speed limiters EU & UK from 2022

Speed limiting technology looks set to become mandatory for all vehicles sold in Europe from 2022, after new rules were provisionally agreed by the EU.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47715415
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Old 27.03.2019, 11:22
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Re: Road safety: Vehicle speed limiters EU & UK from 2022

I am cautiously optimistic about this, not just for reasons of safety but also traffic. I commute daily to ZH and one of the biggest contributors to accidents and tailbacks is erratic speed changes, constantly switching lanes and slamming on the brakes (which you should never have to do on a highway).

With more autonomous technologies (speed limit, adaptive cruise and lane assist etc..), it should iron these quirks out and allow traffic to flow more freely. There is plenty of bandwidth on the highways, even at rush hour and so having cars drive in convoy could solve many problems IMHO.

The major issue I see is the transition period where we'll have a blend of new and old technologies on the road
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Old 27.03.2019, 11:30
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Re: Road safety: Vehicle speed limiters EU & UK from 2022

I'm worried about this currently and am waiting to see how people act when they no longer need to check their speed. I can see people doing the limit whilst not paying attention to the road conditions, just foot down and the vehicle decides when it's fast enough.
It's also going to make safely overtaking interesting. Safely overtaking sometimes involves exceeding the speed limit. Having to double push the go pedal or some other contraption whilst on the other side of the road could increase the pucker factor.
In other news, motorbikes don't have to have the new tech.
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Old 27.03.2019, 11:38
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Re: Road safety: Vehicle speed limiters EU & UK from 2022

Seems to be an interim step as technology moves towards self-driving cars, maybe?
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Old 27.03.2019, 11:41
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Re: Road safety: Vehicle speed limiters EU & UK from 2022

If those cars are forbidden to use the left lane than this is a great plan

Unfortunately....
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Old 27.03.2019, 12:10
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Re: Road safety: Vehicle speed limiters EU & UK from 2022

If only it would work the other way round and make sure that everyone is driving at the speed limit it might be OK. Naah, who am I trying to kid? The whole idea sucks worse than a supercharged Hoover.
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Re: Road safety: Vehicle speed limiters EU & UK from 2022

I foresee the next 2022 head line - "Swiss Police goes bankrupt"
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Ha ha yeah the Swiss will probably ban it :-)


I read that the devices will probably have an override on full throttle and also would be able to be switched off completely.
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Re: Road safety: Vehicle speed limiters EU & UK from 2022

I can already see the problems with that.
Last week I drove through Brandschenkenstrasse and my Navi started bleeping at me, claiming it's a 30-zone. At first I thought, okay, they might have changed that but I saw no signs what so ever. Instead I was the famous arsehole at the front of a car-snake.
Same thing on the way back.

And the same thing again yesterday!
Some funny person who lives there used the buddy-feature of TomTom and reported 30??
No idea but if this speed limiters come, this will lead to annoyance.
And just imagine it the other way around: The navi says 80 in a 50 zone and the driver relies on this feature.
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Speed limiting technology looks set to become mandatory for all vehicles sold in Europe from 2022, after new rules were provisionally agreed by the EU.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47715415
"Driver can override the system by pressing the accelerator".

So meh, people can fully choose to speed anyway.

I would rather all cars have automatic cruise control as that is probably the most significant safety feature there is. In combination with traffic sign recognition and lane assist a driver does 't need much else to be safe on the roads.

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I can already see the problems with that.
Last week I drove through Brandschenkenstrasse and my Navi started bleeping at me, claiming it's a 30-zone. At first I thought, okay, they might have changed that but I saw no signs what so ever. Instead I was the famous arsehole at the front of a car-snake.
Same thing on the way back.

And the same thing again yesterday!
Some funny person who lives there used the buddy-feature of TomTom and reported 30??
No idea but if this speed limiters come, this will lead to annoyance.
And just imagine it the other way around: The navi says 80 in a 50 zone and the driver relies on this feature.

In areas where there are many roads it's often impossible by GPS alone to know which street you're on. I suspect any such enforced limiters would not be set to work in such locations. I can imagine some accidents in fact from this new system and I'm sure there will be some controversy.
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Old 29.03.2019, 13:14
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I can already see the problems with that.
Last week I drove through Brandschenkenstrasse and my Navi started bleeping at me, claiming it's a 30-zone. At first I thought, okay, they might have changed that but I saw no signs what so ever. Instead I was the famous arsehole at the front of a car-snake.
Same thing on the way back.

And the same thing again yesterday!
Some funny person who lives there used the buddy-feature of TomTom and reported 30??
No idea but if this speed limiters come, this will lead to annoyance.
And just imagine it the other way around: The navi says 80 in a 50 zone and the driver relies on this feature.
I got news for you: the more expensive systems than a 200 EUR TomTom build into cars already today have a camera and recognize signs...
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Old 29.03.2019, 13:20
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I got news for you: the more expensive systems than a 200 EUR TomTom build into cars already today have a camera and recognize signs...
Aha. And what's the news?!

There are no signs to recognize for a system at Brandschenkenstrasse as it goes under "generell 50".
So is the hidden news that the TomTom you're talking about doesn't have a buddy function = can't be influenced?
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Old 29.03.2019, 15:26
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Aha. And what's the news?!

There are no signs to recognize for a system at Brandschenkenstrasse as it goes under "generell 50".
So is the hidden news that the TomTom you're talking about doesn't have a buddy function = can't be influenced?
I dont think any navigation system should blindly follow something entered by another user. The buddy function is great to report speed traps (well, not in CH, but thats the main usage in other countries where thats legal...). It certainly should not influence any automatic driving Assistents…

Obviously is data quality a key point here. But in an age where Porsche offers navigation systems that not only have a 2D map, but know the angle and elevation of each corner… and automatically use this information to select the right gear for you… well, a speed limited should be way easier.

My only problem is that most dangerous situations I experience happen within the speed limit and are due to either aggressive driving or people being on the phone. I think jamming mobile phones within a cars cabin would be way more effective for road safety.
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Old 29.03.2019, 15:40
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My only problem is that most dangerous situations I experience happen within the speed limit and are due to either aggressive driving or people being on the phone. I think jamming mobile phones within a cars cabin would be way more effective for road safety.
I agree that most situations are caused by inattentive drivers rather than speed alone. I know mobile phones are a contributing factor to peoples lack of awareness, but I can't see them blocking phones in cars when there are other people also in the car. Effective yes, practical no.
If we want to go all out on the awareness side there could be eye tracking software which slows the car in the case that the drivers eyes are off the road for some amount of time. I can see them having issues with glasses wearers though.
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If we want to go all out on the awareness side there could be eye tracking software which slows the car in the case that the drivers eyes are off the road for some amount of time. I can see them having issues with glasses wearers though.
I am pretty sure thats already an option on some cars. My colleague has a new Golf which parks itself on the hard shoulder and calls an ambulance if the driver is unconcious. I know they have sensors in the steering wheel but I assumed it must also track the eyes with a camera for that...
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Re: Road safety: Vehicle speed limiters EU & UK from 2022

My car can recognise speed limit signs and with a press of a button use the observed limit for speed limiting. But it doesnt recognise signs with a town name but no posted limit (like in DE, where this signifies buildup area and 50kmh). And after an end-of-limit dign it draws a blank and doesnt know anymore... but it shows the last recognised speed which can be handy, though a bit unreliable.
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