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Fine for driving without glasses ?

Hi everyone, I was caught crossing a solid line to another lane and caught not wearing glasses. Very, very stupid of me. I lived in Switzerland back in 2012 and had a mark on my Swiss license that I needed glasses — then I just came back less than a year ago having driven in the UK on a license that doesn’t require glasses... I think I would have been ok if I had showed him my UK license but I still had my old Swiss one from long ago and thought I should show that.
Any thoughts on how much this might cost me? He said I would get an Anzeige.
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Hi everyone, I was caught crossing a solid line to another lane and caught not wearing glasses. Very, very stupid of me. I lived in Switzerland back in 2012 and had a mark on my Swiss license that I needed glasses — then I just came back less than a year ago having driven in the UK on a license that doesn’t require glasses... I think I would have been ok if I had showed him my UK license but I still had my old Swiss one from long ago and thought I should show that.
Any thoughts on how much this might cost me? He said I would get an Anzeige.
Having those 2 licenses in your possession is a further offence, no doubt you claimed you had 'lost' your UK one & got issued with a duplicate.
Reading requirement is broadly the same for UK & Swiss license, you would likely need to wear glasses to drive in the UK as you self certify you can read a no plate at the required distance v 60% vision in one eye in CH.
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Re: Fine for driving without glasses ?

According to this, driving without correction is CHF 200.-

Plus something for the solid line infraction and tootling about with two licences.
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Re: Fine for driving without glasses ?

Please don't drive in Adliswil and region.
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Re: Fine for driving without glasses ?

Oh dear -- I don't understand what I've done then with the licenses. The Swiss license was from long ago and then I went to the UK and did the driving test there so didn't have to exchange my Swiss license for the UK one, and then moved back to Switzerland less than a year ago, but still work in the UK.
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Oh dear -- I don't understand what I've done then with the licenses. The Swiss license was from long ago and then I went to the UK and did the driving test there so didn't have to exchange my Swiss license for the UK one, and then moved back to Switzerland less than a year ago, but still work in the UK.
Your story does not add up as the licenses have been freely exchangeable for many years long before 2012.
You clearly did not read what you DECLARED when you signed the UK application so you fraudulently applied for the UK license. Sounds like you were banned at the time from driving.
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.... then I just came back less than a year ago having driven in the UK on a license that doesn’t require glasses...
It might not be written on the licence itself BUT the requirement is there regardless. If you cannot read a number plate at 20m you are required to wear glasses. You also have an obligation to inform the DVLA of any eyesight problems...this would I'm sure be interpreted to include a Swiss optician informing you you need glasses.
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Re: Fine for driving without glasses ?

Same thing happened with my spouse. So we went to the optician got a certificate that she doesn't need glasses to drive. Contested the fine successfully. Though had to pay admin fees and a new license which doesn't have the code for glasses.
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Your story does not add up as the licenses have been freely exchangeable for many years long before 2012.
You clearly did not read what you DECLARED when you signed the UK application so you fraudulently applied for the UK license. Sounds like you were banned at the time from driving.
Pretty quick to point the finger. There are situations where it is preferable to have two license which are not related to having been naughty.

If you do the test in two places you can have a license in two places. You only forfeit your license if you give up an EU license within the EEA area. If you (for example) have a US license when you come to Switzerland you will actually get the original license back.

If you come here with a license from abroad and decide to do the test here you will get a Swiss license or the other way around if you decide to do the test elsewhere.
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Hi everyone, I was caught crossing a solid line to another lane and caught not wearing glasses. Very, very stupid of me. I lived in Switzerland back in 2012 and had a mark on my Swiss license that I needed glasses — then I just came back less than a year ago having driven in the UK on a license that doesn’t require glasses... I think I would have been ok if I had showed him my UK license but I still had my old Swiss one from long ago and thought I should show that.
Any thoughts on how much this might cost me? He said I would get an Anzeige.
Could it be they mentioned Anzeige would be due to crossing the solid line ?
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Re: Fine for driving without glasses ?

I was strictly forbidden from swapping a Swiss License for a UK one because the Swiss license was obtained by swapping a US license... it would have been a lot easier to swap but they made me take the test and start the process from scratch there.

The policeman didn’t seem to mind my having 2 but clearly I need to find out what the rules are.
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Pretty quick to point the finger. There are situations where it is preferable to have two license which are not related to having been naughty.

If you do the test in two places you can have a license in two places. You only forfeit your license if you give up an EU license within the EEA area. If you (for example) have a US license when you come to Switzerland you will actually get the original license back.

If you come here with a license from abroad and decide to do the test here you will get a Swiss license or the other way around if you decide to do the test elsewhere.
None of which applies to OP, who had UK and Swiss licences.

In Switzerland you can exchange other licences too (Austrialian etc), not just EEA ones. Within 12 months.

And EU countries have individual rules.

Malta for example will swap only Swiss and Australian ones for a Maltese, but don't require any EU licences to be swapped. Withing 12 months.

The UK has a longer list

I've swapped my licence a few times now. I've never had more than one...
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Re: Fine for driving without glasses ?

I was looking for documentation regarding the issue, if it is legal to have two driving licenses from two different states.

Within the EU it is explicitly forbidden to have two driving licenses (directive 91/439, art. 7 n. 5).

Between CH and an EU state, I found this for Italy: https://www.admin.ch/opc/it/official.../2016/2221.pdf

"Le Parti Contraenti si impegnano a osservare il principio secondo il quale a seguito di un esame per il conseguimento di una patente di guida il titolare deve essere in possesso di un solo documento."

"The two parties are commited to respect the principle stating that after a driving license exam the document holder shall hold only one document" (my translation)

I am convinced that a similar document referring to the same principle exists for UK and CH, and the only way yo get two licenses is to omit some declaration.

On the other side, if you just take the test in the new country and they don't ask you if you already have a licence... (do they?)
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None of which applies to OP, who had UK and Swiss licences.

In Switzerland you can exchange other licences too (Austrialian etc), not just EEA ones. Within 12 months.

And EU countries have individual rules.

Malta for example will swap only Swiss and Australian ones for a Maltese, but don't require any EU licences to be swapped. Withing 12 months.

The UK has a longer list

I've swapped my licence a few times now. I've never had more than one...
Actually the situation I was thinking of seems to be almost exactly what happened with the OP. I know of someone else in a similar situation and it was the only thing they could do at the time. They legally held 2 (later in fact 3) drivers licenses because of this.

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I was strictly forbidden from swapping a Swiss License for a UK one because the Swiss license was obtained by swapping a US license... it would have been a lot easier to swap but they made me take the test and start the process from scratch there.

The policeman didn’t seem to mind my having 2 but clearly I need to find out what the rules are.
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Old 28.03.2019, 14:50
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Re: Fine for driving without glasses ?

Note that if you have corrective eye surgery, you need to update your Swiss license to remove the restriction about wearing glasses. May as well do it sooner rather than later so you avoid getting a fine, protesting, paying an admin fee, etc. Each canton has its own form. I just updated mine recently, 45 Francs and it arrived in 2 days.
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Re: Fine for driving without glasses ?

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The consequences of the crossing depends a lot on the situation, there's no telling what verdict that will result in. It will result in an individual (court) case that will, as a first step, be dealt with by a Strafbefehl, a "verdict" by the attorney general. If you challenge that it will go before a judge, expect significantly higher court costs if you lose (maybe even if you win, subject to the rulign).

Since crossing the line won't be dealt with by an Ordnungsbusse (a simple fine) the missing glasses can't be dealt with with simple fine ("Ordnungsbusse") either.

The best thing would be if you can prove that you no longer need glasses.
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Re: Fine for driving without glasses ?

Aside from the legal ramifications, why did you drive without your glasses? It easy enough to carry spares, even if they are not up to date. The gendarme would not know the difference, would they?
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Re: Fine for driving without glasses ?

Until a couple of years ago I wore glasses and my driving licence was endorsed with the code 0001. I had a cataract operation and started driving without glasses. I was a little concerned about the endorsement on the licence and asked a neighbour who's a border guard. His opinion was that all it needed was an over-zealous cop for me to be in trouble and he encouraged me to clean up the situation. On my next visit to my ophthalmologist, I got a certificate, went to the bureau des automobiles in Nyon and the next day had a new licence without an endorsement (and of course a bill for 40 CHF).
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