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Pity. I remember Hyundais as being nice, simple yet still kind of nippy and long lasting (looong lasting ) cars.
Yeah. We‘ve had ours for 7 years. Reliable to the point of dull, but a rather decent car. I‘ll check to see if it‘s among the damned. And get a fire extinguisher.
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Old 02.04.2019, 16:50
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That gives you plenty of time to stop safely and get out, with or without kids.
Are you suggesting, that in your mind at least, there are occasions when you would get out of a burning car and leave the kids in there?

Sorry but I can tell you don't have children, or empathy or...much else.
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Old 02.04.2019, 17:05
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Are you suggesting, that in your mind at least, there are occasions when you would get out of a burning car and leave the kids in there?

Sorry but I can tell you don't have children, or empathy or...much else.
Err... I think he meant whether one is travelling with kids or travelling without. At least that's the slightly less alarmist way I read it. But that's just me...
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Old 02.04.2019, 17:06
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Err... I think he meant whether one is travelling with kids or travelling without. At least that's the slightly less alarmist way I read it.
With him I wasn't so sure but shall we give him the benefit of the doubt?
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Old 02.04.2019, 17:16
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Just to dial down on the Hollywood stuff for a moment and drag it back to the Korean car article, most of the fires in these cases start off as a smouldering engine fault, right? Presumably you've got time to pull over and make haste. Nobody trapped, nobody crushed. In that event, a fire extinguisher is probably useless anyway.

However, how would a fire affect the locking mechanism of the car in this case? If it shorts out fuses, could that leave the doors locked/unlocked because they work off the electrics, don't they?

I guess the fire would have to be established in this case but it would still be a bit of a worry if you suddenly find yourself locked in your own smouldering car.
There was a case like that fairly recently somewhere near here. A guy was burned alive in his car because he couldn’t get out.

https://www.arcinfo.ch/articles/regi...un-mort-728020

It wasn’t a Korean car.
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Old 02.04.2019, 17:29
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There was a case like that fairly recently somewhere near here. A guy was burned alive in his car because he couldn’t get out.

https://www.arcinfo.ch/articles/regi...un-mort-728020

It wasn’t a Korean car.
I read somewhere that the electric cars burn like buggery if they have a fault. I think it was Richard Hammond (The Grand Tour) who fell foul of that a couple of years back in Switzerland after a crash. Rapid and intense fire which is difficult to put out.

Jesus. Poor bloke.
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Are you suggesting, that in your mind at least, there are occasions when you would get out of a burning car and leave the kids in there?

Sorry but I can tell you don't have children, or empathy or...much else.
Man, its pretty clear even to those of us who are far from native EN speakers. In other cases I would assume you are trolling with your responses, but it consistently seems you really mean it.

So just to be 100% clear, at least I'll try for the other commenter - it meant there is plenty of time and some more to get everybody out, regardless of how many people are in the car.
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Old 02.04.2019, 18:34
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Here's one to illustrate my point - even after 15 minutes, the fire is still easily extinguishable with a small fire extinguisher.
I've witness two car fires, both in my village, neither due to accidents.

As you mention, it was a good 15-20 minutes before the fire got to extreme to be easily put out, in neither case was there an explosion. Had I not been indoctrinated to believe that there was a serious danger of explosion, I would have grabbed an extingusher from work and walked over to put it out.

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Old 02.04.2019, 18:39
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I think it was Richard Hammond (The Grand Tour) who fell foul of that a couple of years back in Switzerland after a crash. Rapid and intense fire which is difficult to put out.
Yes, it was.

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Old 02.04.2019, 18:40
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Re: Drive a Korean car?

By the time you have got various fire extinguishers in the car, special hammer to break glass, snow chains.....just in case and all the survival kit just in case for whatever reason, is there any space left for the kids in the car anyway ?
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I've witness two car fires, both in my village, neither due to accidents.

As you mention, it was a good 15-20 minutes before the fire got to extreme to be easily put out, in neither case was there an explosion. Had I not been indoctrinated to believe that there was a serious danger of explosion, I would have grabbed an extingusher from work and walked over to put it out.

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I've put out 3 engine fires (fuel leaks) and 4 electrical fires on normal (if old) roadgoing cars, and twice used a fire extinguisher to break a window.

They really don't explode Hollywood fashion.

The powder residue is incredibly difficult to remove - basically you have to completely disassemble everything and clean with a mild acid (The residue is caustic). And... rewire the engine bay with all new connectors.

I do carry a small steel extinguisher in my car, and strongly suggest everyone else should too.

If it was a modern car, and nobody was at risk, I'd probably just let it burn until the firemen arrive.
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Old 02.04.2019, 18:47
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The powder residue is incredibly difficult to remove - basically you have to completely disassemble everything and clean with a mild acid (The residue is caustic). And... rewire the engine bay with all new connectors.
Not a problem with Halon extinguishers.

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Old 02.04.2019, 18:56
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Not a problem with Halon extinguishers.

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I've only used Halon in server rooms. Race kits (plumbed in) are all alternative (like HalGuard) now.
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I've only used Halon in server rooms. Race kits (plumbed in) are all alternative (like HalGuard) now.
Alas, I'm old(er).

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Old 02.04.2019, 20:10
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Man, its pretty clear even to those of us who are far from native EN speakers. In other cases I would assume you are trolling with your responses, but it consistently seems you really mean it.

So just to be 100% clear, at least I'll try for the other commenter - it meant there is plenty of time and some more to get everybody out, regardless of how many people are in the car.
I think it's pretty clear from the posts after mine that a fire extinguisher can be useful in fires and the can (and it would appear usually) start quite slowly.

It would also appear to be the case that sometimes it's not possible to get everyone out of the car straight away and there are ways to put out such a fire before it spreads to possibly trapped occupants.

(There was a such an incident the other day near where I live where the car roof had to be removed to extract the occupant).

Whilst Urs Max's post of "Let it burn" might cover all cases for him - it did not for those of us with families, and those of us who have friends die in car accidents.

So was I trolling - yes. To someone who deserved it - hell yes.
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I think it's pretty clear from the posts after mine that a fire extinguisher can be useful in fires and the can (and it would appear usually) start quite slowly.

It would also appear to be the case that sometimes it's not possible to get everyone out of the car straight away and there are ways to put out such a fire before it spreads to possibly trapped occupants.

(There was a such an incident the other day near where I live where the car roof had to be removed to extract the occupant).

Whilst Urs Max's post of "Let it burn" might cover all cases for him - it did not for those of us with families, and those of us who have friends die in car accidents.So was I trolling - yes. To someone who deserved it - hell yes.


What's the point of trying to save the car ? Once it begins, a lot of damage is done to wiring etc but above all, the car absolutely stinks of smoke and burnt chemicals afterwards and nothing gets rid of this smell.


Let the car burn, take the insurance money and get a new one, far easier all around and almost certainly cheaper
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What's the point of trying to save the car ? Once it begins, a lot of damage is done to wiring etc but above all, the car absolutely stinks of smoke and burnt chemicals afterwards and nothing gets rid of this smell.
With the risk of repeating myself - there may be a point to putting out a small smouldering fire (before it gets bigger) because, after a crash, occupants of the car may be trapped due to deformation of the car and unable to free themselves.

As others have experienced, car fires tend to start small and do take quite a long time before they get out of control. Who can tell how long the rescue services could take to get to the accident with their cutting gear before the trapped occupants get overcome by poisonous fumes from smoke or actually get burnt.

The car is immaterial (unless of course it is a classic!)
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What's the point of trying to save the car ? Once it begins, a lot of damage is done to wiring etc but above all, the car absolutely stinks of smoke and burnt chemicals afterwards and nothing gets rid of this smell.


Let the car burn, take the insurance money and get a new one, far easier all around and almost certainly cheaper
Oddly enough, not everyone simply views a car as a disposable purely functional object. Quite apart from the emotional connections one can make with one's car, even relatively modern cars may be difficult or impossible to replace with an identical model, especially in as small a country as Switzerland. I'd be gutted if my R36 were destroyed, for example, even though it's only 10 years old. Chances of finding a 2nd hand one with all the options I chose are practically zero, and although it's not exactly a classic (yet?) it's still preciousss to me.

So yes, I'd try to save it if I possibly could, although I don't actually carry an extinguisher with me. Never had a car fire in well over a million miles of motoring; never owned a Kia or Hyundai either.
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I'd be gutted if my R36 were destroyed, for example, even though it's only 10 years old.
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No wait, I'd have long since torched myself if it looked like I'd own an R36.
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Man, its pretty clear even to those of us who are far from native EN speakers. In other cases I would assume you are trolling with your responses, but it consistently seems you really mean it.
Nah, he just demonstrates his maturity. Or lack thereof, rather.
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There was a case like that fairly recently somewhere near here. A guy was burned alive in his car because he couldn’t get out.

https://www.arcinfo.ch/articles/regi...un-mort-728020

It wasn’t a Korean car.
How can a fire extinguisher help when trapped inside of a burning car?

Sure, it can happen, no doubt. But how often does it?
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