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Hello. I'm looking for a nissan skyline r33 in Switzerland. While passing through a site I came across one but the seller only sells it without MFK. Since I am new here in Switzerland, what do you advise me to do? You think there might be something wrong with the car? Thank you
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Old 04.04.2019, 08:27
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Hello. I'm looking for a nissan skyline r33 in Switzerland. While passing through a site I came across one but the seller only sells it without MFK. Since I am new here in Switzerland, what do you advise me to do? You think there might be something wrong with the car? Thank you

Almost guaranteed there is something wrong with the car, if there wasn't he would do an MFK and sell for a far higher price
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Re: Car without MFK

Such a car with no MFK: run away unless it is super cheap. You don't know if it has some hidden modifications that might cause you trouble as it is most likely tuned.



On the other hand: still an awesome car. If you don't buy it, please update the thread in case you buy something familiar.
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Re: Car without MFK

as other have said, don't touch it with a barge pole, a car that old with no MFK is going to be a money pit, added to it being a boy racers wet dream the chances of it being standard or having all approved mods are virtually nil.
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Hello. I'm looking for a nissan skyline r33 in Switzerland. While passing through a site I came across one but the seller only sells it without MFK. Since I am new here in Switzerland, what do you advise me to do? You think there might be something wrong with the car? Thank you
Consider the price difference between one with an MFK and the one you're looking at. That price difference is probably more than it would cost to make the car MFK ready otherwise the current owner would do it.
Same story as buying cars and they say "non runner, simple to fix". If it's simple to fix and they've not fixed it, it's not easy to fix.
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Re: Car without MFK

If you know how long the guy has had it, why he hasn't done an MFK, when it had the last MFK, what mods it has and has had in the meantime, then you might get a bargain. Then again...
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Re: Car without MFK

I would assume you mean this car.

This car doesn't have an MFK, not because it's not "road worthy", but because it's extensively modified. Depending on many things, that might make things easier, or infinitely worse.

wheels - should be about 150-250 to get a DTC cert for them
brakes no idea, you need to talk to a shop selling them and see if you can get papers
suspension is TEIN, quite popular, you should be able to find a CH distributor to get you a paper
exhaust you can do special test at MFK with no paper, but it's expensive, and big pipes on GTRs make a lot of noise, so could need a silencer in the can
Various engine stuff like intercooler, fuel pump should be actually ok without papers

All external modifications like front splitter/wing also go in the registration, and I don't know if you need a paper beforehand, or if they just get checked to comply during the MFK.

I think import tax is paid, so that's OK, but it's still a PITA to get everything put together. In any case, every piece of paper you'd need to pass MFK would cost anything from 150 to god-knows, so I'd first try to see the costs of these and then take a decision.

Other "road-worthiness" problems should be relatively OK, or maintenance items you should address anyway. Leaks could be annoying, but a good wash could pass you if they're not leaking a lot and quickly (in which case it again becomes a maintenance issue you should address anyway).



There are a lot of modified cars running around in CH, and I don't know how legal they are. Some have obvious things like removed pre-cats in their downpipes that will never pass MFK no matter what. But I've also seen cars for sale with multi-page grey cards with entries for mods.

No MFK doesn't necessarily mean catastrophic failure or death-trap. Last time I sold a car, it failed MFK for a headlight (that I'd have to buy new since I couldn't find a used one) and that was pretty much half the value of the car. So I sold it in Germany for decent money, and the guy exported it to Dubai where apparently a perfect beam pattern is not a big issue
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Re: Car without MFK

It's not really the usual case of "ohne MFK" where one might assume something is wrong with the car but it's also listed as "Ohne Strassenzulassung" which to me implies it's intended for use off of public roads only.
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I would assume you mean this car.
If it is that one it is not just that there is no MFK. The ad reads...:

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...so not permitted to be driven on the roads at all. So it's one someone has modded for racing and can only be used on track.
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Re: Car without MFK

Simple answer: Only buy if you have a trailer to bring it to the racetracks in Germany, since that is the only useful thing to do with this car.
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Re: Car without MFK

R33s have been out and about in CH, so if the new owner reverses some of the mods that are non-compliant for the road, the car can definitely get on the road.

For the (example) car of the add above, the listed mods are not deal-breakers, and that's why I argued that if you get the paperwork in order, you can get through MFK and take plates.

We're not talking about a kit-car or an obscure race car.
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...so not permitted to be driven on the roads at all. So it's one someone has modded for racing and can only be used on track.
Or use it on the road and get the Fast&Furious feeling...
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Re: Car without MFK

I've talked to a garage here in CH and if I change a few things I can get the license to drive on the road. Thanks to all of you for the help
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I've talked to a garage here in CH and if I change a few things I can get the license to drive on the road. Thanks to all of you for the help
Are they willing to sign a paper on that all other parts of the car are conform?
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Re: Car without MFK

I will take off all race stuff and do all stock to pass. I know a garage that installs Japanese parts in skilines that are legal to Switzerland. I've talk about this car with the person of the garage and he says that is possible to get all the paper to stay legal to road
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I will take off all race stuff and do all stock to pass. I know a garage that installs Japanese parts in skilines that are legal to Switzerland. I've talk about this car with the person of the garage and he says that is possible to get all the paper to stay legal to road

Great, i'd pay him a bit more, get him to do it and have it road legal then buy it as at present you have very little guarantee it can actually be made road legal and at what cost......


Once the MFK guys have seen it and refuse it, the second inspection is tougher to pass and more abnormalities can or will be found.


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Re: Car without MFK

??? am I missing something ??? the car you're looking at has been heavily modified, so you're going to buy it, then pay a garage to remove the mods and go through all the hassle of importing it and mfk'ing it when there are 2 other r33's that are cheaper on autoscout, and plenty available elsewhere much much cheaper.

I'm not up on skylines so realise they are a bit like 911's in that the value is all in the version but still, what you're planning makes no sense at all.
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I've talked to a garage here in CH and if I change a few things I can get the license to drive on the road. Thanks to all of you for the help

Understatement of the year award!

$$$ is what the garage see in you. They'll lowball the initial estimate to suck you in... and by the time all is dusted, you end up 10-20x from the initial estimate. So, unless you really trust the garage, I suggest run away.

With that said, some cars we just have to buy with our hearts, not our brains.
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??? am I missing something ??? the car you're looking at has been heavily modified, so you're going to buy it, then pay a garage to remove the mods and go through all the hassle of importing it and mfk'ing it when there are 2 other r33's that are cheaper on autoscout, and plenty available elsewhere much much cheaper.
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Re: Car without MFK

I really think you should buy it, the following "complaint" threads you post will be excellent Friday afternoon matter.
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