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Motorcycle license: From old A1 to A

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I'm considering getting a motorcycle, but I am getting very conflicting information regarding my particular case. I've searched high and low in the Strassenverkehrsamt website to no avail


I already have an A1 license from 1996 obtained abroad (and a B license a few years later). I already converted those to a Swiss license some years back when I moved here.


Now I want to get a license for bigger bikes, and as I understand there are two categories:
* A beschränkt which is limited to 35Kw
* A which is unlimited (I am over 25yrs so elligible)


So the process is to first get a permit (go to Strassenverkehrsamt and do some paperwork), slap an L onto a bike, and go ride. Then I have four months to complete basic training, and from then one year to do the test, however...


I've also read in various places that if you have an A1 license issued before 05.2003 I can apply and get an A beschränkt automatically, no test and no training required. Is that so?


I've also read in places that if you obtain an A beschränk license, after two years you can get it exchanged for a full A license. I've read conflicting information about whether a test is required or not. Can anyone shed light on this?


I'm quite happy to go for a restricted license for two years and then swap it out for a full A if it means I don't need the hassle of a test .


I will try to go to the Strassenverkehrsamt and clear this up, but as my German is rather basic, if I had some extra info gathered from you guys it would be tremendously helpful.


Cheers!


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Re: Motorcycle license: From old A1 to A

Old A1 means blue paper driving license.

Theoretically you can already drive A (35 kW) motorcycles. If do and are checked by the police you might have to pay a CHF 20 fine as you can not present the correct form of license: The new credit card sized one (Note: this applies within Switzerland only, abroad you will not have a valid license for A (35 kW) / EU-A2 bikes !). Simply exchange it and you will get the A (35 kW) on the license which will also be valid abroad.

To upgrade to A unrestricted you must pass a practical exam. No amount of years driving on A (35 kW) will do the trick in your particular situation (Old A1 -> free A (35 kW)). Means you just have to apply for an A unrestricted learners permit (AFAIK no need to switch to credit card license, this saves some francs), it will be valid for 16 Months, and no basic training is needed! Nevertheless, basic training or some hours with a driving teacher might help to pass the exam and to ride safely on the road.

This is regulated by the transitional provision of Art. 151k Abs. 1 VZV https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...247/index.html
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Re: Motorcycle license: From old A1 to A

Hi, thanks for your input


I have a CC sized license already, that's what they gave me when I arrived in the country (in 2012). It lists A1 with date 1996 and B with date 1999.


So I gather I can go to Strassenverkehrsamt and get the A1 upgraded to -A (A restricted)? And then I need an exam for unrestricted A, but can I do that right away? I read I may have to wait two years...


Yes, agree, lessons with an instructor would be in order no matter the experience. They know what exactly it is the examiners are looking for and what is likely to fail. Based on the exam I did to get my A1 (required back then), the practical test has little relation with ones ability to drive
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I have a CC sized license already, that's what they gave me when I arrived in the country (in 2012). It lists A1 with date 1996 and B with date 1999.
Sorry. In this case, as you have a CC licnse you have proper and current A1. That is max. 125 ccm.
You will have to go the formal route: Speak, if you are 25 or older apply for an A unrestricted learners permit. Do the needed 6h of basic training, that is course 2a (2h) and course 3 (4h) within 4 months (or learners permit will be void !). After that the learners permit gets extended by 12 month, within you must pass the practical exam.

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Yes, agree, lessons with an instructor would be in order no matter the experience. They know what exactly it is the examiners are looking for and what is likely to fail. Based on the exam I did to get my A1 (required back then), the practical test has little relation with ones ability to drive
Oh boy, oh boy. You will have to master the bike with a pillion passenger. Albis or Buchenegg will be most likely on the program. Some details: https://www.englishforum.ch/transpor...lbisg-tli.html
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Sorry. In this case, as you have a CC licnse you have proper and current A1. That is max. 125 ccm.
You will have to go the formal route:
Really? so the A1 to -A thing has nothing to do with the date you obtained the A1 but with the colour/format of your license? That's super annoying (and unfair), but rules are rules

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You will have to master the bike with a pillion passenger

Fair point, although that's not particularly worrying. Back in the day I took plenty of pillions in my bike, and unless the passenger is a total tool, it shouldn't be much of a problem. I'm more concerned with things like 8 figures and such, as the bike choice can really impact one's ability to do them tight enough


Back in the day when I did my A1, exams were done on Vespas because regular bikes could not turn so tight. You could show up with any bike you liked, but if it was not a Vespa, you were very unlikely to pass . So all driving schools fielded Vespas (with the gears on the left grip, nuts )



But thanks for all the info. I'll pop over to the Strassenverkehrsamt at some point to get the official version, and then decide. I would have been happy with -A but having to go through the full process will put me off a bit. The torrential rain today isn't helping either
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Re: Motorcycle license: From old A1 to A

The reasons comes from the fact that July 3rd 2002 the CC style driving license AND the A restricted category was introduced. At this point the old Swiss A1 was converted into the new A restricted. Because that is the category were no one lost any right or entitlements. In addition the old F became the new F and A1 (45 km/h). That's why you need an old Swiss paper license, because only the old Swiss A1 can be "upgraded" to A (35 kW).

One big issue is that you do not tell from which country you come from and if the license you exchanged is according Regulation 2006/126/EU or an older non harmonized national regulation. Or in other words: Had you been entitled to A2 according Regulation 2006/126/EU in your old country of residence or were the license was issued? If the answer is no, than the A1 on your current Swiss license is absolutely correct.
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One big issue is that you do not tell from which country you come from
Well, the answer to this is "complicated". My A1 was done in Spain, my B in the UK. I converted a British license to a Swiss one.
I'm not sure how it works now in Spain or the UK, but I see that in Spain if I wanted to upgrade from A1 to A, I would have to do just a test on the open road, and skip the one on a closed circuit.
Also based on what I read, if one doesn't speak Schweizerdeutsch, one is probably screwed. Not sure how much truth there is to that...
May be I'll just get an e-bike
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Also based on what I read, if one doesn't speak Schweizerdeutsch, one is probably screwed. Not sure how much truth there is to that...
A bit of basic German is needed. But the rest is mostly tapping on the shoulder. Tap on right shoulder --> Next right (if allowed). For left vice versa. As a test expert I would not ride two up before I have seen how the applicant rides the bike on closed grounds and if he is actually able to stop in case of an emergency.
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Thanks, that should be OK then. I have some basic German, and "raaaaachts" auf Schweizerdeutsch I can understand too :-)

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As a test expert....

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I guess I should contact an instructor for some advice about what bike I should get and not get, don't want to make that test unnecessarily difficult
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I guess I should contact an instructor for some advice about what bike I should get and not get, don't want to make that test unnecessarily difficult
The one you like. In the end you should be able to handle it during your rides as well and some of the skills used in the maneuvers can be use useful in the city and some mountain roads. People pass the test with all sorts of bikes, are you a real biker or just a wanna be poser? .

But generally speaking: Supersport bikes are least maneuverable, Enduro bikes the easiest.

PS: The Japanese even made a sport out of it, Motogymkhana
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People pass the test with all sorts of bikes, are you a real biker or just a wanna be poser? .
Can I be both? . Although realistically I'm probably neither. I just want something to get around Zurich and surrounding areas more efficiently (Basel, Winterthur, Uster...) and more enjoyable. Trips to the mountains or long journeys will be relatively rare

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But generally speaking: Supersport bikes are least maneuverable, Enduro bikes the easiest.
Yes, I figured a sport super bike is out of the question (and not what I want anyway). I'd love a Triumph Street Twin but realistically a Suzuki SV650 sounds like a far more sensible choice right now

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PS: The Japanese even made a sport out of it, Motogymkhana
haha, look at him go! but he has put his foot down a few times, the Swiss examiner wouldn't even blink before failing you for that I'm sure
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Re: Motorcycle license: From old A1 to A

OK, so just to confirm in case anyone else comes across this thread


I went to the Strassenverkehrsamt, and they confirmed that indeed, if you have an A1 license obtained before 2003, you can convert it to an A license. However, this only applies if you obtained your A1 license in Switzerland


As mine was not done here, I cannot convert it. So I have to do a 6hr Grundkurs, and then the normal Prüfung.


So now I have my Lernfahrausweis, a bike, a booked Grundkurs, and aim set on Prüfung in September.


Thanks for the help
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