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How is usage of Waze in Switzerland?

Wouldn't it help to be more aware what is the limit on the road you're on, where to expect the cameras, where to expect the bush ninjas and so on?

Always used it when driving in Europe and never had a single (speeding) ticket, also helps to avoid traffic jams.

Though using it requirez other drivers also to use it (to report bush ninjas, traffic jams, new hidden speed cameras etc)
Waze is great here but keep in mind that it does not warn you against cameras and police controls in Switzerland. You still have the speed limit warning though.
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I can’t believe I’m in this scenario. I feel so ashamed and I’ve been kicking myself the last few days (if we could skip the criticism that’d be greatly appreciated).

I have driven for many years in the UK covering 20000+ miles each year, and never had a ticket. However, after getting a car here in February I have now been snapped for a third time. I feel awful about it, and this fine (or worse) will really sting.

Two of the three have been where the speed has dropped down and I’ve been travelling to a new location (using sat nav) and just missed the speed change sign. Just trying not to get lost.

My most recent event was where I thought it was 50 but it was a special built up area where 30 was specified. I know I’m going to get at least 250 fine, and perhaps lose my licence.

I used to think I was a competent driver, but this has really shook that belief. Perhaps I will just return to public transport. Has anyone else experienced similar?
Why cant they bring out an app that warns one about exceeding the speed in a particular zone?
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Why cant they bring out an app that warns one about exceeding the speed in a particular zone?

As already covered here, using anything that warns you of speed cameras is illegal in Switzerland. Hence, no app.
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As already covered here, using anything that warns you of speed cameras is illegal in Switzerland. Hence, no app.
Not talking about warning from speed cameras. I am talking about warning you that your speed exceeds the limit on a particular street /highway.
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In my first year here, I got two fines - one at a higher level, one at the lowest. It's easier to miss limit changes when you're not quite used to the signage.

The 50 in a 30 is a pain, because it's 66% over the limit, and easy to do. When the authorities change the limit on a street from 50 to 30 - miss one sign and *flash* + big fine.

At least around here, the drop from 50 to 30 is very clearly posted -- normally it is marked with a big sign upon entry ('ZONE 30') as well as with a painted indication on the road. It can be frustratingly-hard to stay below 30, which feels very slow, but you can't say it's because you didn't realise...


It's the constant 120-100-80-100-120 yo-yo on the motorways that drives me crazy. Those are easy to miss, especially if you are driving alongside a truck which can block your view to the sign.
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Re: Third speeding ticket in as many months

My tactic to stay at 30, keep it in second gear.
Third to stay at 50.

(Queue someone saying their car does 120 in second)
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My tactic to stay at 30, keep it in second gear.
Third to stay at 50.

(Queue someone saying their car does 120 in second)
My tactics
- use the limiter
- do 50 when I go past the 50 sign, not after it
- enjoy the payers of this purely voluntary tax
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My tactic to stay at 30, keep it in second gear.
Third to stay at 50.

(Queue someone saying their car does 120 in second)
A couple of my bikes did it in 1st, so I lowered the gearing (one went from a 36T rear to a 43T rear ), so now they only do 90 or so in 1st.

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My tactic to stay at 30, keep it in second gear.
Third to stay at 50.

(Queue someone saying their car does 120 in second)
My experience is that a higher gear is more helpful as the throttle is less responsive.
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In Australia back in the wild days of the 70's I used to disconnect my speedo after the first 10,000 kms. Ensured a good reasale price.I used the tacho to somehow guage the speed. Got tricky at times
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Not talking about warning from speed cameras. I am talking about warning you that your speed exceeds the limit on a particular street /highway.
Standard function on my TomTom.

(Not really great for temp restrictions, but what other app has such. I mean who is going to report all that stuff)
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Not talking about warning from speed cameras. I am talking about warning you that your speed exceeds the limit on a particular street /highway.
Most of the (worthwhile) navigation systems do have that function, but it of course does not cover temporary limits, as they are not part of the mapping data.

However a positive trend in the car tech today (Mazda is one brand I can think of) is the traffic sign recognition, which uses the front camera, then puts the recognized sign next to your speedometer.
I hope more and more manufacturers will bring that to their cars soon.

https://www.mazda.co.nz/i-activsense-safety-technology
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Re: Third speeding ticket in as many months

In Switzerland most mortals get caught "speeding" once or twice a year or so - just treat it as an extra (performance related :-)) tax.
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Speeding will be solved at some point in the (relatively near) future.
Maybe driverless cars, maybe some satellite system dictating the limits, or sensors on the roads/streets etc.
But for sure the decision will be taken away from the driver.
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Not talking about warning from speed cameras. I am talking about warning you that your speed exceeds the limit on a particular street /highway.
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What I find disgusting is that the cantons treat these fines as a revenue source and even plan in their annual budgets:
Not at all disgusting. What is disgusting is the country's failure to use revenue from road users to make rail cost-competitive with road use in a way that accurately reflects each transport mechanism's actual environmental impact. The fines themselves could stand being multiplied and salary-indexed.
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Not at all disgusting. What is disgusting is the country's failure to use revenue from road users to make rail cost-competitive with road use in a way that accurately reflects each transport mechanism's actual environmental impact. The fines themselves could stand being multiplied and salary-indexed.
Rail transport can be as competitive as it wants, but it doesn't go everywhere nor is it "joined up" enough to make things easier.
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Speeding will be solved at some point in the (relatively near) future.
Maybe driverless cars, maybe some satellite system dictating the limits, or sensors on the roads/streets etc.
But for sure the decision will be taken away from the driver.
I would never buy such a vehicle.

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(Not really great for temp restrictions, but what other app has such. I mean who is going to report all that stuff)
Camsam. Pretty much always up to date on the motorways, albeit with a few false alarms at times.

Oh, you mean just a warning of a temp speed limit, not a camera, don't you? Some nav apps like Waze are pretty good for that, but I don't really get on with it that well. My normal GPS/Nav app is iGo, which you can configure to show the current speed limit, plus warn you if you're over it be a chosen amount, and is usually pretty good on temp limits and traffic info, but it's not user-reported, so won't always be bang up to date.
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I would never buy such a vehicle.

Tom

Eventually, if this is the way it goes, you'll have no choice at some point in time, unfortunately
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