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If you were on UK plates you may be ok, my MRS got flashed a year or so ago on UK plates and she never received a bill.
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It was two years ago and would be only 40 or 80 franks
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Old 19.06.2019, 22:57
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Forbidden in CH though, if caught will get you a fine.
My understanding is that user notifications in Switzerland are screened or filtered to ensure that usage of the app doesn't contrave the law, which is why...
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... Waze... unfailingly tells me "police ahead" even if it's just a camera.
It's illegal in Switzerland to notify others that a speed camera is coming up. But letting people know that "police" are ahead is not prohibited.
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Forbidden in CH though, if caught will get you a fine.
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Or use Waze which unfailingly tells me "police ahead" even if it's just a camera.
It's illegal in Switzerland to notify others that a speed camera is coming up. But letting people know that "police" are ahead is not prohibited.
Quite so. I did find Waze a little too distracting when I tried it for a while though. Sometimes the Police ahead means just that, sometimes it's a mobile camera, sometimes a fixed camera. PITA trying to work out what to look out for.

But the question of legality is not really an issue in practice. I got pulled for speeding last year, for the first time in decades, and they didn't even think of looking at my phone or the in-dash Android, both of which have CamSam installed. It's difficult to imagine the circumstance in which they would, TBH. Has anyone ever heard of a real live case?
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Old 20.06.2019, 00:58
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Re: GB resident speeding in CH?

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It's illegal in Switzerland to notify others that a speed camera is coming up. But letting people know that "police" are ahead is not prohibited.
It is forbidden as well. The text of the law does not mention speed cameras in particular but that warning others of any kind of traffic checks, and using devices wich do so, is strictly forbidden. Art. 98a SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...ndex.html#a98a
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It is forbidden as well. The text of the law does not mention speed cameras in particular but that warning others of any kind of traffic checks, and using devices wich do so, is strictly forbidden. Art. 98a SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...ndex.html#a98a
Who said anything about traffic checks?
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It is forbidden as well. The text of the law does not mention speed cameras in particular but that warning others of any kind of traffic checks, and using devices wich do so, is strictly forbidden. Art. 98a SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...ndex.html#a98a
i had no idea. A fuller discussion appeared on a Waze forum https://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=163891

That said, my Swiss phone (a prepay doesn't have Waze on it. My UK monthly-pay does, and in fact is cheaper to use in Switzerland than the Natel. Free, in fact, if I use its Vonage Extensions app. At least until Brexit when roaming charges may resume. i think I know where all the radar units are located on the A9 by now.

A couple of years ago I got flashed before 5 am and my car rental company billed me CHF 50 for giving my details to the police. I had been using my Florida driver licence and it was just before Hurricane Maria landed. When I never got a penalty notice I wrote to the Lausanne police, enclosing the bill from the rental company. The Police replied politely that they had no complaint against me.

So either my speed was within the margin allowed, or close enough so that they didn't care to raise a case. But the radar certainly had flashed.
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So either my speed was within the margin allowed, or close enough so that they didn't care to raise a case. But the radar certainly had flashed.
It would have been the former. Trust me and countless others, the police will always care to raise a case if there's money to be made. I've lost count of the number of fines I've received for driving 1 km/h (after deduction of the safety margin) over the speed limit.
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Highly unlikely they revoke your UK licence, but I would expect a huge fine.
The Swiss authorities have no right to revoke your licence, the only thing they can do is ban you from driving in Switzerland and fine you. Something similar happened to a UK motorbiker (Youtube channel) , he was at 130km/h or something in the swiss alps, was stopped and was banned on the spot with a large fine. They had to put the bike in the van until they entered Italy. Apparently if he was a few km over he would have been arrested.
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The Swiss authorities have no right to revoke your licence, the only thing they can do is ban you from driving in Switzerland and fine you. Something similar happened to a UK motorbiker (Youtube channel) , he was at 130km/h or something in the swiss alps, was stopped and was banned on the spot with a large fine. They had to put the bike in the van until they entered Italy. Apparently if he was a few km over he would have been arrested.
This may mean something:
What is the EU Cross-Border Enforcement Directive – and what does it mean for me?
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/mot...ent-directive/
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It would have been the former. Trust me and countless others, the police will always care to raise a case if there's money to be made. I've lost count of the number of fines I've received for driving 1 km/h (after deduction of the safety margin) over the speed limit.
The police did go so far as ask my identity from Alamo. Good news, anyway. I have a new (Swiss) licence waiting for me when I get back to Switzerland in a few weeks as I am now registered as domiciled in Switzerland -- for practical reasons, I have a choice as I spend only half the year there; for the cost of sickness insurance I will never use I get some other advantages.)

That being the case I will have to rent my car at the airport illegally with a foreign licence of which I have several as a result of my past employment in many countries. But as it's only for 2 days I can take the risk.

Here's the police message, dated 31 Jan. 2018:

Monsieur,

Votre mail de ce jour nous est bien parvenu, il a retenu toute notre attention.

Après vérification dans notre système, il ressort qu’aucune contravention n’est inscrite avec les références que vous nous avez transmises.

Dès lors, nous vous laissons le soin de contrôler ces informations auprès de la société de location. Vérifiez également le lieu où l’infraction a été commise, il est possible que celui-ci ne soit pas Lausanne.

Avec nos meilleures salutations.

D. Rochat | Secrétaire


Ville de Lausanne | Corps de Police | Office circulation et stationnement
Rue Saint-Martin 29 | CP 5354 – 1002 Lausanne | T +41 21 315 38 00
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Old 21.06.2019, 11:05
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Re: GB resident speeding in CH?

Presumably you understand French, at least well enough to get the gist of that message?

It seems that you contacted the Lausanne police (each commune has its own police force, or at least shares a police force with a neighbouring commune). They say they know nothing about the alleged infraction, but you should check that the fine that your rental agency claims was incurred by you, was actually issued by the Lausanne police and not some other police force. In other words, they can't check the records of other police forces, but you're in the clear with Lausanne.

So then it comes down to where the offence allegedly occurred, which apparently wasn't in Lausanne. If the fine that was addressed to your rental agency came from the Lausanne police, there's been some screw-up somewhere, and your agency should refund the charge they imposed on you. If it came from a different police force or from the Vaud (or other) cantonal police, you need to contact them.
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Old 21.06.2019, 11:15
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Re: GB resident speeding in CH?

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Quite so. I did find Waze a little too distracting when I tried it for a while though. Sometimes the Police ahead means just that, sometimes it's a mobile camera, sometimes a fixed camera. PITA trying to work out what to look out for.

But the question of legality is not really an issue in practice. I got pulled for speeding last year, for the first time in decades, and they didn't even think of looking at my phone or the in-dash Android, both of which have CamSam installed. It's difficult to imagine the circumstance in which they would, TBH. Has anyone ever heard of a real live case?
yes, me!! they pulled me for crossing a white line too early on a motorway slip road then went through everything in the car looking for camera stuff, found it on my gps, confiscated it and got a separate fine for it, the copper was even googling for info on the make / model and where to look.
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yes, me!! they pulled me for crossing a white line too early on a motorway slip road then went through everything in the car looking for camera stuff, found it on my gps, confiscated it and got a separate fine for it, the copper was even googling for info on the make / model and where to look.
Was your phone locked? Can they force you to unlock it, or give them the password?
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Old 21.06.2019, 12:30
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Was your phone locked? Can they force you to unlock it, or give them the password?
my phone wasn't on the dashboard or visible so they never asked
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I am currently on holiday in Switzerland - the 3rd time I have visited this beautiful country and the first time I have travelled here by car. I am a UK resident.

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I was probably doing about 96kmh in the 60kmh zone but didn't see a flash (bright sunny day) and I am hoping that perhaps I braked in time but I don't hold out much hope. The camera was on the opposite side of the road facing us.


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To get to the point, I know it is my own fault and I know I will probably be getting a 4-figure fine but can they ban me/revoke my licence in the UK? I have not been stopped by any police.
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1) you travelled here by car, presumably a UK registered car? There is no scheme for sharing details between the UK and CH.

2) if so, they know they cannot contact you and will presumably bin it.

3) if they do find some way official (can't for the life of me see how though..) to identify you and your UK address, then it's a different story. you were probably doing more than 20 km/h over the (non-motorway) speed limit which incurs a fine up to 1/3 of your monthly income and from 1-3 months ban in driving in CH. They cannot do anything with your UK licence

BTW, many cameras use infra red so there's no visible flash.
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2) if so, they know they cannot contact you and will presumably bin it.
No, they won't! I know people who they caught up with years after the event, drive here again and they'll catch you at the border, pass though an airport etc unless you can 100% say you're never going to set foot in switzerland again, pay up and have peace of mind
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No, they won't! I know people who they caught up with years after the event, drive here again and they'll catch you at the border, pass though an airport etc unless you can 100% say you're never going to set foot in switzerland again, pay up and have peace of mind
This only applies if they have identified you and sent a fine to you. If there is no fine how can they ask you to pay it? They can't fine you in your anonymous absence..
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Old 21.06.2019, 13:18
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This only applies if they have identified you and sent a fine to you. If there is no fine how can they ask you to pay it? They can't fine you in your anonymous absence..


drive the same registration number through a border point and if the offence was serious enough they will ask the uk for the registered keepers name and they will be given it, again, I personally know a guy who did very stupid things on his uk motorbike here and they tracked him down, he even did time in jail for it.
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drive the same registration number through a border point and if the offence was serious enough they will ask the uk for the registered keepers name and they will be given it, again, I personally know a guy who did very stupid things on his uk motorbike here and they tracked him down, he even did time in jail for it.
but, if it was a "close family member", you don't have to say.., right..?
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