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Many people: "Saving the human living climate is good aslong as it does not cost me money or brings me discomfort, so fine if you want to stop doing things, but I demand my train to be cooled, and when I get home I shower for 20 minutes and then I throw a big piece of meat on the BBQ.."
The Swiss love their heating. You probably do too “catches a cold too easily”.

Heating is far more toxic to the environment than a few days of air conditioning a year. You can put on an extra sweater to stay warm, but there is nothing you can do to cool down and breath better on an airless train.

And regards to the guy who said I shouldn’t take the train on hot days...Wanna explain that to my work?

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The Swiss love their heating. You probably do too “catches a cold too easily”.

Heating is far more toxic to the environment than a few days of air conditioning a year. You can put on an extra sweater to stay warm, but there is nothing you can do to cool down and breath better on an airless train.

And regards to the guy who said I shouldn’t take the train on hot days...do you not have a job too?
I thought your job was outsourced?

Seroiusly though, you are being obnoxious. Take a second and calm down. You raised an issue and it is being discussed. Not everything is a personal affront to you, except my last tit-for-tat comment.
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My old job was outsourced, I have a new one with a long commute.

It really is a personal issue for me - like I said, I have asthma. Does anyone know what it’s like to not breathe? That is what happening to me on these airless sealed trains. I am sick of people rolling their eyes about me just being “an american” who wants to pollute the environment, when really all I want is to breathe clean air. Ok, get it now?

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Old 28.06.2019, 17:20
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https://garagegympower.com/best-cooling-vests/

Id get a phase change one.

Also, isnt 1st class on the trains aiconditioned ?

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The Swiss love their heating. You probably do too “catches a cold too easily”.

Heating is far more toxic to the environment than a few days of air conditioning a year. You can put on an extra sweater to stay warm, but there is nothing you can do to cool down and breath better on an airless train.

And regards to the guy who said I shouldn’t take the train on hot days...Wanna explain that to my work?
The people at your work would be o.k. with you driving a car with climate control, might not be your preferred way of travelling but if you have a medical condition worth looking into it.

Actually I don't heat up the house that much, I catch a cold easily during conditions like an overly airconditioned train where a spot outside airflow is not/ hardly possible if they need to cool it down in hot summer days, but I'd say a lot of people do, so nothing weird about that.

And why would heating be more polluting? only due it being used more days?
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Wouldn’t a car be worse for the environment? Seriously considering it. Was happy to give up a car over 10 years ago.

Here’s some articles on why heating is toxic for the environment:

https://www.google.ch/amp/s/slate.co...as-heating.amp

http://www.pollutionissues.co.uk/pol...r-heating.html

I do believe air conditioning can be used to excess, I personally never turn on the heat as my husband and I are hot natured. That’s one of my contributions.
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I don't see heating being worse than cooling, it is just that we use heating more than cooling. The method itself is not really less polluting.
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The Swiss love their heating. You probably do too “catches a cold too easily”.

Heating is far more toxic to the environment than a few days of air conditioning a year. You can put on an extra sweater to stay warm, but there is nothing you can do to cool down and breath better on an airless train.

And regards to the guy who said I shouldn’t take the train on hot days...Wanna explain that to my work?

No, the "Swiss" definitely don't love that. Please stop generalizing... We need proper heating and cooling... everything else are just excuses for saving money.
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No, the "Swiss" definitely don't love that. Please stop generalizing... We need proper heating and cooling... everything else are just excuses for saving money.
Truth be told, depending from where one comes one might perceive people in Switzerland having the heating up a bit more.

But to say the Swiss like their heating, yeah don't know. Maybe we just liked our cold :P
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My old job was outsourced, I have a new one with a long commute.

It really is a personal issue for me - like I said, I have asthma. Does anyone know what it’s like to not breathe? That is what happening to me on these airless sealed trains. I am sick of people rolling their eyes about me just being “an american” who wants to pollute the environment, when really all I want is to breathe clean air. Ok, get it now?

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I feel ya. My asthma also makes me feel claustrophobic, which compounds the anxiety when on a hot, crowded plane or train.

I miss CH, but not right now.

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Re: SBB refuses to cool down trains in heat wave

Im quite surprised to hear this but on the West side of things, all the RE (Vevey- Geneve) trains seem to be functioning tip-top. They are not fridges but if you sit down and start to relax they are ok, and just the right amount of heat that everyone avoids talking so its even more quiet than normal. Finally the Romandie have down something right!
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Old 28.06.2019, 20:01
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Re: SBB refuses to cool down trains in heat wave

Asthma in this sweltering heat is horrible.
It's absolutely normal to have an emotional reaction when you're feeling desperate for relief and you cannot breathe properly.

I wouldn't give a hoot about climate anything, if I were in a cooped up over heated train with breathing problems.

It's easy to say, oh don't take the train, oh go to first class.
Many people rely on the train system.
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Old 28.06.2019, 23:48
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I don't see heating being worse than cooling, it is just that we use heating more than cooling. The method itself is not really less polluting.
Most likely it is as the very same technology (i.e. heat pumps) is being praised as energy efficient when used for heating but blamed to waste energy when used for cooling.


Talk about double standards...
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Old 29.06.2019, 09:54
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Re: SBB refuses to cool down trains in heat wave

High temperatures pose a risk to health. Especially for the very young, the old, people who are pregnant and those with pre-existing conditions that can be made worse by heat.


Doesn't the SBB have a duty to ensure they are not putting passengers at risk? (What I mean here, is where there is a AC, using it when necessary. Obviously, if there is no AC, they can't switch it on.)



I commute and have had to not get on trains because it would have been dangerous.



Luckily, I have been able to change my working times to avoid the trains that I know from experience are too hot.
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No, the "Swiss" definitely don't love that. Please stop generalizing... We need proper heating and cooling... everything else are just excuses for saving money.
As a swiss person, yes we most definitely do. I absolutely get where she is coming from taking the train in winter, I have to remove my coat and sweater or jacket in order to not sweat profusely.
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Old 29.06.2019, 11:39
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As a swiss person, yes we most definitely do. I absolutely get where she is coming from taking the train in winter, I have to remove my coat and sweater or jacket in order to not sweat profusely.
We go to Zermatt regularly and the trains can get so hot in the winter I have actually felt a bit sick. You'd think I would get used to it, but every time I step on the Zermatt train (in the winter), I am amazed by the heat. But I suppose, most passengers aren't Swiss on that train...so maybe they just think the foreigners need the extra heat.
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Re: SBB refuses to cool down trains in heat wave

Switzerland has always been more focused on heating than air conditioning. In the past, the Swiss looked upon those few days of scorching temperatures as something to put up with since they were few and far between.

In the meantime, temperatures have been increasing and air conditioning has become a more popular option in homes and out. Many Swiss still view air conditioning as a source of evil air that promotes catching the cold or flu but there's a definite trend of the idea becoming more accepting.

Some trains probably are too hot and there very well may be power problems. Complaints are necessary for change to happen but I also have faith the SBB is trying their best to deal with the situation.

By the way, I called the SBB with a complaint on Thursday as I had missed my train due to a too tight of connection and lack of signs in the underground passage. The staff woman who took my complaint was grateful, understanding and promised to have someone fix the problem about the signs. Who knows... maybe someone really will.

If you're using the Rotkreuz train station, let me know if signs have been put up in the passage way showing where the platforms, buses and taxis are.
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I found his answer a bit surprising and agressive, but there's no need to lose all civility and start hitting back.

Let's keep it clean, and focus on the climate in trains, a topic I will care about A LOT soon, as I will start a 60+ min commute come August 5th.
Don't know about you, but "if you don't like it here just leave" stirs up in me a similar "allergic" reaction. Especially when it comes from a fellow expat/immigrant/foreigner, whatever you call them. Btw, that's a minor rant.
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I'm happy they don't cool at 25, would sweat like hell the instant I would get out. And I dislike heavy airconditioned rooms since I prefer to not have a cold in summer.
Engineers agree with you :-) There are international standards about how and how much closed environments and vehicles should be cooled, and temperature has usually a lower limit expressed as "outdoor temperature minus X" where X can be something like 3 or 5, not 20.

Also, humidity and oxygen content can play an important role even if air temperature is not lowered: "fresh air" means "air that you can breathe and helps your skin to exchange heat" and this is not necessarily a synonim for "cool air".

Systems are designed to give passengers some extra comfort, but not a totally different season. When everything works as intended it can be pretty effective, without the risk of making you sick - it happened to me once after a ride in an overcooled Italian regional train.
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