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Re: SBB refuses to cool down trains in heat wave

If it is a product that doesn't suit, SBB's argument will be to change the product provider or get an alternative. While I personally disagree with lowering population's mobility since it is defining their power, really...a few degs of temps might be justified by technical restrictions and specs. Not savings nor even energy. What if they built the trains/network wrongly?
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Are there actually ANY countries which have a "contract with passengers" to keep the temperature below 25C?

It must be a legal minefield having to determine that all passengers are "comfortable".

People sweating in the train is evidence of SBB refusing to mantain comfortable standards.


People having serious health accidents caused by the heat inside the train is evidence of SBB refusing to mantain safety standards.
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Old 01.07.2019, 12:00
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People sweating in the train is evidence of SBB refusing to mantain comfortable standards.


People having serious health accidents caused by the heat inside the train is evidence of SBB refusing to mantain safety standards.
I'm sure you can do better than that. People will sweat in the street, in summer.

What serious health accidents caused by heat inside the train are you referring to?
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Old 01.07.2019, 12:01
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People sweating in the train is evidence of SBB refusing to mantain comfortable standards.


People having serious health accidents caused by the heat inside the train is evidence of SBB refusing to mantain safety standards.
Some people sweat like mad when it reaches 20C, others when it reaches 30C. You see, this is the problem when people try to impose impossible criteria on such services then award themselves with an easy leg up to the moral high-ground.

I'll ask again - do you know of ANYWHERE where they categorically state that the train system will adhere to a maximum temperature? Anywhere?
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Re: SBB refuses to cool down trains in heat wave

We also have fast and affordable trains back home. With windows that open. It feels like you are assaulted by the noise, feeling like a vacuum cleaner plugged into your ears. Everyone flocks to the dining car where the windows do not open.
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Old 01.07.2019, 12:12
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SBB are breaching their contract with their passengers. The contract in a nutschell states that the passenger pays the fare. In return the SBB brings the passenger to destination comfortably and safely....
Please show me where in the terms & conditions of carriage it says SBB has an obligation to get you there comfortably. Safely I can see, but comfortably? Sometimes the train/bus/tram is so full during commuting hours I have to stand. That's not comfortable but I get to my destination safely so I consider the contract fulfilled.
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Old 01.07.2019, 13:54
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SBB are breaching their contract with their passengers. The contract in a nutschell states that the passenger pays the fare. In return the SBB brings the passenger to destination comfortably and safely.


SBB are then breaching the contract in that they deliberately refuse to mantain acceptable safety conditions (temperature at max. 25 C) inside their vehicles ( probably in order to cut costs) and getting away with this.


On the other hand passengers who breach the contract (e.g. by entering the train without a valid ticket) can be fined.


And people keep saying that Switzerland is a democratic country...
This forum once had a user who argued that Switzerland had a duty to provide him with cheap or free parking, to which he was entitled, as a human right. I hadn't thought about him in ages, but right now, reading this post of yours, I was suddenly reminded of him.

Although I can't recall all the details, as far as I remember, he was also dissatisfied with the way his studies had gone, and unhappy that he was not able to land a [better?] job.

Most of the time, in life, the change has to come from within. I hope you - and he - find develop ways to be happier, both on trains and in offices.
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Although I can't recall all the details, as far as I remember, he was also dissatisfied with the way his studies had gone, and unhappy that he was not able to land a [better?] job.
You noticed that too? I was reading the other thread and I had to restrain myself from making the link/comment. Didn't want to tick the poor guy off any more than he probably is already.
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Are there actually ANY countries which have a "contract with passengers" to keep the temperature below 25C?

It must be a legal minefield having to determine that all passengers are "comfortable".
I want 18C in summer, and 24C in winter!

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I want 18C in summer, and 24C in winter!

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So do I
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I want 18C in summer, and 24C in winter!

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Watch xmas movies when the summer temps are the least bearable I swear it helps. We also sing carols and bake gingerbreads (yesterday).
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I want 18C in summer, and 24C in winter!

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Give the bike a bit more throttle and undo a few of your zips? In winter you'll just have to stuff your leathers with hot water bottles to get 24C.
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Engineers agree with you :-) There are international standards about how and how much closed environments and vehicles should be cooled, and temperature has usually a lower limit expressed as "outdoor temperature minus X" where X can be something like 3 or 5, not 20.

Also, humidity and oxygen content can play an important role even if air temperature is not lowered: "fresh air" means "air that you can breathe and helps your skin to exchange heat" and this is not necessarily a synonim for "cool air".

Systems are designed to give passengers some extra comfort, but not a totally different season. When everything works as intended it can be pretty effective, without the risk of making you sick - it happened to me once after a ride in an overcooled Italian regional train.
This is why all Americans have colds and are sick during the summer months.

Really...its true.
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This is why all Americans have colds and are sick during the summer months.

Really...its true.
Well, I saw a study on popularity of AC in the US, apparently it still translates to wealth in people's mind, plus rising obesity in US population may also play some role. Hmmm. Don't know, but our temps here are nowhere near what's nornal summer heat in large part of the US. I never liked the ice/aircon obsession there, but I only like summer for boards and lack of clothes. Summer-dress and sandals, who needs aircon when camping. I prefer winter here, I think, and keeping busy on the slopes.

People are sick in summer months mainly due to sun overexposure lowering one's defences, usually.
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You're ready for the US! I've been Michigan during Christmas, I was wearing just a t-shirt inside the house (and snow outside). But on the other side, during a conference in Texas in August... had to use my sweatshirt...
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Most of the time, in life, the change has to come from within. I hope you - and he - find develop ways to be happier, both on trains and in offices.
Maybe they're the same person...

But whatever, why are people criticising so much? The trains I took in the last week had AC, travelling was comfortable.
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Maybe they're the same person...

But whatever, why are people criticising so much? The trains I took in the last week had AC, travelling was comfortable.
Happy you had such an experience, but if you read the article from my first post, many did not.
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You're ready for the US! I've been Michigan during Christmas, I was wearing just a t-shirt inside the house (and snow outside). But on the other side, during a conference in Texas in August... had to use my sweatshirt...
I wear shorts in winter (or normally just jockeys).

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Happy you had such an experience, but if you read the article from my first post, many did not.
I don't contest that (most) people are genuine, just wonder why is that. I was wondering whether people expect much lower temperatures than me.
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Re: SBB refuses to cool down trains in heat wave

Having suffered from closed air-con systems I wonder why the designers do not build in emergency ventilation where possible -it must be reasonably simple in a train carriage and in buildings; in a car I am a fan of an open window rather than the air-con (except for the noise/traffic fumes)
Has anyone tried those battery powered fans in a train?
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