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Haha. You've been here way too long to truly believe that had she done as you said, it would have kept the usual sniping/snipers at bay. They would have found something to go after......they always do.
Not with acute asthma (if that applies, can't be bothered to scroll up or start another subthread OP drip-feeds). AFAIK you can easily hear the "whistling" when it hits so there's sufficient evidence. When things can turn into a lifethreatening emergency everything else becomes negligible.
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Why would she take you their if you have 1st class GA ?


Shall we stop the serial groaning now ?

That’s fresh coming from you. You have gone through all of my posts on this forum and purposely groaned at them. I guess my criticism of how pathetic you are got to you. I have reported you to the admins.
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Old 04.07.2019, 08:19
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Thatís fresh coming from you. You have gone through all of my posts on this forum and purposely groaned at them. I guess my criticism of how pathetic you are got to you. I have reported you to the admins.



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I so miss curley and DB !!!!! OP, you think Today only is bad?

You've been gently denied the right to criticise SBB, not a big deal. I might have missed the posts where you were accused of critiquing SBB because you're American, you're angry and spoiled and what not. C'mon, you had it good. For EF. Seriously, it's childish, shall we all give this thread a break? ;-)
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I so miss curley and DB !!!!! OP, you think Today only is bad?

You've been gently denied the right to criticise SBB, not a big deal. I might have missed the posts where you were accused of critiquing SBB because you're American, you're angry and spoiled and what not. C'mon, you had it good. For EF. Seriously, it's childish, shall we all give this thread a break? ;-)
Maybe you missed the posts where my health issues were speculated?

The state of this forum is really awful, filled with a bunch of losers willing and ready to attack anyone over absolutely anything. I am regularly disgusted with how people are attacked on here. Iím sure in your everyday lives you are completely powerless cowards. Enjoy the little bit of joy you have in your sad lives. Iím out.
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Old 04.07.2019, 11:22
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Old 04.07.2019, 11:28
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Maybe you missed the posts where my health issues were speculated?

The state of this forum is really awful, filled with a bunch of losers willing and ready to attack anyone over absolutely anything. I am regularly disgusted with how people are attacked on here. I’m sure in your everyday lives you are completely powerless cowards. Enjoy the little bit of joy you have in your sad lives. I’m out.
I think in the end, sadly but predictably, you proved you're not the innocent victim after all.

My post was a bit ironic, it seems you have no idea what cyber-bullying looks like. I don't know how much of EF you read so far, but this childish teasing from Today only and Urs Max is nothing compared to some really ugly scenes that happened in the past here.

I don't know what I missed, you said you suffer from asthma, which is not at all pleasant I reckon. I, for one, tried to be sympathetic despite of having a different experience with SBB but whatever. Maybe it's the weather....have a nice life!
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Old 04.07.2019, 11:36
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Maybe you missed the posts where my health issues were speculated?

The state of this forum is really awful, filled with a bunch of losers willing and ready to attack anyone over absolutely anything. I am regularly disgusted with how people are attacked on here. Iím sure in your everyday lives you are completely powerless cowards. Enjoy the little bit of joy you have in your sad lives. Iím out.
The SBB is obviously overwhelmed at the moment. Tracks closed (Goldau-Zug), heat management issues and late trains. Just yesterday, my train was late due to "animals on the tracks." I truly hope it was due to animals and not a suicide.

Anyway, I've found the SBB staff increasingly kind and forthcoming despite probably being bombarded with complaints by angry commuters.

So during those times when our Swiss trains aren't running to perfection, all I have to think about is I-5 between Seattle and Olympia or the constant traffic jams around the Gubrist tunnel and I'm a happy camper again despite a bit of discomfort or frustrating delays.

Now... if you want to talk about a crazy Italian dude on his telephone who I had a fight with yesterday during my Lucerne commute, I'd be happy to discuss valid reasons for my disgust and anger mixed with apprehension of possible physical aggressiveness.
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Now... if you want to talk about a crazy Italian dude on his telephone who I had a fight with yesterday during my Lucerne commute, I'd be happy to discuss valid reasons for my disgust and anger mixed with apprehension of possible physical aggressiveness.
On Sunday, we got on the Tasch to Zermatt train (its a set of small train that just goes between those 2 points every 20 minutes, since Tasch is last place to park car before going to "carless" Zermatt).

The train wasn't moving and it was hot in there. After they couldn't fix whatever they were working on, we were told to switch to the train coming from Visp to Zermatt (that stops in Tasch). We were in front of most people switching trains and we hopped into a carriage towards the front of the train. In one area, there were four sets of four seats, each set only had 1 person in it. They had small bags scattered among the seats. My wife and I asked one lady to move her grocery bag so we could take 2 seats. She literally grunted at us, but did move the bag. More people started to pile onto the train. They were mostly foreigners that probably don't under Swiss train etiquette and with a language barrier (many Chinese people). I assume they didn't feel comfortable confronting persons in the other 3 sets of 4 seats or didn't really know how to ask them to move their bags.

I was thinking to myself that the people should be nice and make the open seats available by moving their things. Again, we are talking small bags, not big suitcases. But whatever, nobody bothered to actually ask them and it is only a 15 minute trip.

As we were going along, we heard the 4 people talking to each other over the seats. It turns out that they were a family of 4 (2 parents and 2 teens). They were hogging 16 seats and refused to consolidate into fewer seats as a large number of people were boarding from our overheated train! What on earth kind of lessons is that teaching the kids? We let the lady know just how unimpressed we were. She didn't care and she just continued to make grunts towards us, as if we were still invading her space.
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Old 04.07.2019, 16:19
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On Sunday, we got on the Tasch to Zermatt train (its a set of small train that just goes between those 2 points every 20 minutes, since Tasch is last place to park car before going to "carless" Zermatt).

The train wasn't moving and it was hot in there. After they couldn't fix whatever they were working on, we were told to switch to the train coming from Visp to Zermatt (that stops in Tasch). We were in front of most people switching trains and we hopped into a carriage towards the front of the train. In one area, there were four sets of four seats, each set only had 1 person in it. They had small bags scattered among the seats. My wife and I asked one lady to move her grocery bag so we could take 2 seats. She literally grunted at us, but did move the bag. More people started to pile onto the train. They were mostly foreigners that probably don't under Swiss train etiquette and with a language barrier (many Chinese people). I assume they didn't feel comfortable confronting persons in the other 3 sets of 4 seats or didn't really know how to ask them to move their bags.

I was thinking to myself that the people should be nice and make the open seats available by moving their things. Again, we are talking small bags, not big suitcases. But whatever, nobody bothered to actually ask them and it is only a 15 minute trip.

As we were going along, we heard the 4 people talking to each other over the seats. It turns out that they were a family of 4 (2 parents and 2 teens). They were hogging 16 seats and refused to consolidate into fewer seats as a large number of people were boarding from our overheated train! What on earth kind of lessons is that teaching the kids? We let the lady know just how unimpressed we were. She didn't care and she just continued to make grunts towards us, as if we were still invading her space.
Maybe I've been here too long or maybe I just don't give a hoot. I just say loudly "excuse me!" in either German or French, depending on where I am or sometimes I just say it in English if I'm feeling particularly tetchy then move as if to sit on the offending bag/dog/legs. They tend to move their stuff sharpish enough before my arse hits the seat.

How did you "let them know you were unimpressed"?
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I completely agree with you, bonaire, that hogging the seats with luggage when others have to stand, is not considerate or attentive.

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What on earth kind of lessons is that teaching the kids?
One of the lessons I've had to teach myself, is that I feel much better if I actually do get a seat than if I huff and puff at a distance, while standing.

And that sometimes people don't actually mean ill, but just haven't thought far enough (or even looked up) to notice the needs of others. I think it's human nature (though not always nice) that most of us are, in the first place, pre-occupied with ourselves and our own needs and wants.

I've found that when I simply ask: "May I please sit here?" or "Would you please move your bag? I need to sit down.", the person looks up, often from their smart-phones or from gazing out the window, usually a little surprised, and almost always apologises and moves that bag out the way immediately.

That's the lesson I try to teach the kids. Just ask politely, and the seat will almost always be made available to you. And more so the older folk, who are in need of the seat, but were brought up to be on the alert to offer it, in bygone days without the distraction of mobile phones. Rarely does anyone rebuff me, but in every one of those few occassions, someone else then offered me a seat, immediately.
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On Sunday, we got on the Tasch to Zermatt train (its a set of small train that just goes between those 2 points every 20 minutes, since Tasch is last place to park car before going to "carless" Zermatt).

The train wasn't moving and it was hot in there. After they couldn't fix whatever they were working on, we were told to switch to the train coming from Visp to Zermatt (that stops in Tasch). We were in front of most people switching trains and we hopped into a carriage towards the front of the train. In one area, there were four sets of four seats, each set only had 1 person in it. They had small bags scattered among the seats. My wife and I asked one lady to move her grocery bag so we could take 2 seats. She literally grunted at us, but did move the bag. More people started to pile onto the train. They were mostly foreigners that probably don't under Swiss train etiquette and with a language barrier (many Chinese people). I assume they didn't feel comfortable confronting persons in the other 3 sets of 4 seats or didn't really know how to ask them to move their bags.

I was thinking to myself that the people should be nice and make the open seats available by moving their things. Again, we are talking small bags, not big suitcases. But whatever, nobody bothered to actually ask them and it is only a 15 minute trip.

As we were going along, we heard the 4 people talking to each other over the seats. It turns out that they were a family of 4 (2 parents and 2 teens). They were hogging 16 seats and refused to consolidate into fewer seats as a large number of people were boarding from our overheated train! What on earth kind of lessons is that teaching the kids? We let the lady know just how unimpressed we were. She didn't care and she just continued to make grunts towards us, as if we were still invading her space.
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Old 04.07.2019, 22:12
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As a commuter myself the "bags on the seat" is totally logical and all commuters know exactly how the unspoken rules work. Of course as a tourist it is most likely very strange and intimidating.

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If you're using the Rotkreuz train station, let me know if signs have been put up in the passage way showing where the platforms, buses and taxis are.
Everything is well signposted in the main underpass (middle of the platform). If you got off at the front of the train when facing Luzern then no, there isn't much signage in the underpass there, I think it's more a way of getting from one side of the railway to the other that just happens to have access to the platforms.

The new footbridge at the Zug end of the station isn't open yet, which means a long walk down the platform and a potentially congested underpass for anyone getting out of the rear half of a double ICN.
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I think in the end, sadly but predictably, you proved you're not the innocent victim after all.
LOL - why are so many people always ready to throw out the victim accusation on here? I ain't no victim, just want to be able to breath better during my long commute and asked for others that felt the same way, to join the complaint.

Luckily for me, it seems that plenty of locals have:

https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/st...lich--18699195
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