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Motorbike Liscense A

Hi I am from Spain I came here with a B liscene, I have not change the liscense for the Swiss one, I have a car but I need a Motorbike, I know how to drive a motorbike, because in Spain I can Use motorbikes (until 125cc) with my B license.

I Read at this forum that I can go buy a motorbike and put the L plate and start using it until I receive the Motorbike permit, making the courses and all that.

This is true? I can do that? so I can use the motorbike for a period of time with any problem until I have all the requirements to get the full A liscense?

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Re: Motorbike Liscense A

Just to be clear, if you have been a Swiss resident for more than 12 months your foreign license is no longer valid for driving in Switzerland. If you wish to drive in Switzerland after 12 month you must exchange it for a Swiss license. See here for more details: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II

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Spain I can Use motorbikes (until 125cc) with my B license.
Do you have a link to an official Spanish source where it says that? The actual law would be the best. But a link to the an official government website is also o.k.

In any case, if you have an EU style license which only lists class B you cannot drive any motorcycles in Switzerland. If the license also lists AM you can drive motorcycles with max. 50 ccm AND max 45 km/h (yellow license plate).

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I Read at this forum that I can go buy a motorbike and put the L plate and start using it until I receive the Motorbike permit, making the courses and all that.
Just one step missing. You will need a learners permit before you can ride the motorbike on public roads. To get a learners permit you might have to convert your current Spanish license into a Swiss beforehand. You can get motorcycle, license plate, and insurance w/o a learners permit. You will have to do the basic driver course within 4 month of acquiring the learners permit. After that the learners permit is extended for an other 12 months.
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You will have to do the basic driver course within 4 month of acquiring the learners permit. After that the learners permit is extended for an other 12 months.
Or will get converted into an A1 if you have a B and are over 25, as my daughter just did.

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Re: Motorbike Liscense A

Hi thank you for the answer, I will start exchaging my EU Liscense, do you know where I can exchange it?

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Do you have a link to an official Spanish source where it says that? The actual law would be the best. But a link to the an official government website is also o.k.
Is strange but I searched at the DGT (Spanish Transit Authorities) and I couln't find in the law this text where says that B permit Allows you to drive motorcycles as a A1 permit.

I found a link about this in the local newspapers only, https://www.abc.es/motor/reportajes/...5_noticia.html

I know this is possible because I have a Motorcicle in Spain and I drive with a B permit, and I has showed this permit to the transit agents with any problems, maybe this isn't on the last release of the law but is a further resoluton for the parliament.


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Or will get converted into an A1 if you have a B and are over 25, as my daughter just did.

Tom
Yes I have a B Permit and I am over 25 thats great news!
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Hi thank you for the answer, I will start exchaging my EU Liscense, do you know where I can exchange it?
As you are in canton Aargau, it is form "Gesuch um Umtausch eines ausländischen Führerausweises" for exchanging, and form "Gesuch Lernfahrausweis" to apply for a learners permit.
https://www.ag.ch/de/dvi/strassenver...ausweise_3.jsp

- Get two accepted picture. For guidelines see https://www.schweizerpass.admin.ch/d...ustertafel.pdf
Two differences from the above mentioned rules: It must be a color photo and you are allowed to smile
- Fill in all needed details into the two forms.
- On learners permit application select category "A" (the first box).
- On exchange form select all those categories which are shown on your Spanish license.
- Print and sign them.
- Put photographs on the form. Use a glue stick or double sided tape. (No staples, no tape around the photo)
- Go (with both forms )to an optician for the simple sight test (Costs CHF 15 to 20).
- Get address confirmation from your commune (only needed for the learners permit)
- Make a copy of your current driving license.
- Make a copy of your permit.
- Make a copy of the filled in driving license exchange application form.
- Get an envelope, address it:
Strassenverkehrsamt
Führerzulassung
Postfach 3202
5001 Aarau
- Put copy of permit, original Spanish driving license, and all forms into envelope.
- Seal the envelope.
- Either put stamp on envelope and put it into one of the yellow mail boxes.
- or hand it in at a nearby post office (if you do not have stamps or you do not know the correct postage)
- Wait for learners permit, Swiss driving license, and bills.
- Do the basic motorcycle courses within 4 months. If you do not do them the learners permit will be void and you must apply for a new one. Very important: You can only apply one additional time. To apply for a third time you must wait at least two years!

Processing might take up to a week. You can not drive abroad during this time. You might drive in Switzerland (given you have been here for less than 12 months). If stopped by Swiss police show copy of driving license and copy of application form. If they are absolute jackasses they might give you CHF 20 fine.

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Is strange but I searched at the DGT (Spanish Transit Authorities) and I couln't find in the law this text where says that B permit Allows you to drive motorcycles as a A1 permit.

I found a link about this in the local newspapers only, https://www.abc.es/motor/reportajes/...5_noticia.html
Actual law would be nice. However, the important part is: "Y es que con este permiso y una antigüedad superior a tres años, el reglamento permite conducir dentro del territorio nacional motocicletas que se encuentran dentro del permiso A1".
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Yes I have a B Permit and I am over 25 thats great news!
B license, not permit!

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Actual law would be nice. However, the important part is: "Y es que con este permiso y una antigüedad superior a tres años, el reglamento permite conducir dentro del territorio nacional motocicletas que se encuentran dentro del permiso A1".
Found it:
Código de Tráfico y Seguridad Vial
§9 REGLAMENTO GENERAL DE CONDUCTORES
Article 5, Section 7 https://www.boe.es/buscar/act.php?id...180412&tn=1#a5
"El permiso de las clases B, B + E, C1, C1 + E, C, C + E, D1, D1 + E, D y D + E no autoriza a conducir motocicletas con o sin sidecar. No obstante, las personas que estén en posesión del permiso de la clase B en vigor, con una antigüedad superior a tres años, podrán conducir dentro del territorio nacional las motocicletas cuya conducción autoriza el permiso de la clase A1"

It is definitely a special Spanish rule which only applies within the Spanish territory but not abroad. To drive a 125 ccm (max. 11 kW) outside of Spain you will need at least A1 on the license.
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Or will get converted into an A1 if you have a B and are over 25, as my daughter just did.

Tom
Interesting. Is this new, or canton-dependent?

In 2015 I converted my EU license. It was almost 14 years old by then (cat. B), and I was certainly over 25 and my Swiss license only has cat. B, no A1.
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Interesting. Is this new, or canton-dependent?
Not really. If you have B and do the basic motorcycle course you will get A1.

Or in other word: If you want A1, and you have already B, all you have to do is to apply for a learners permit and do the basic motorcycle course.
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Re: Motorbike Liscense A

Ah, thank you. I misunderstood it. I thought Tom was saying that you'd be automatically granted the A1.
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Re: Motorbike Liscense A

Great, thank you for such a great Answer,

All this test are in German? Can I ask to do it in english? I dont speak german.

I want to thank you but I am new in the forum and I can't find the button.
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Interesting. Is this new, or canton-dependent?

In 2015 I converted my EU license. It was almost 14 years old by then (cat. B), and I was certainly over 25 and my Swiss license only has cat. B, no A1.
Not new (my wife did it in 2013), but you have to take the course, then you get the A1.

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All this test are in German? Can I ask to do it in english? I dont speak german.
It's a course, not a test.

Here it is in Italian.

When my wife took the couse, one of the guys taking the course was speaking English with the instructor, but the course itself was in Italian.

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Ah, thank you. I misunderstood it. I thought Tom was saying that you'd be automatically granted the A1.
No, I was responding to the quoted statement that the learners permit would be extended after taking the course, which it will, unless you have a B license in which case you automatically get the A1 with no test, as my wife and daughter did.

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Re: Motorbike Liscense A

1. Yes, you have to change to Swiss license first. Otherwise you would be treated as a novel driver in Switzerland and would have to pass theory first before you can be issued a learner's permit.

2. If you only want A1, just apply for A1 learner's permit, do the 8 hours course, no further exam needed.

3. The A1 permit with B license is a special rule in some EU/EEA countries (Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, Portugal, France to some extent) where you will be allowed to drive A1 motorcycles after usually some years of being in possession of cat. B. This is also sanctioned by the EU harmonization directive (2006/126/EC) and applies only locally. There's some debate whether this applies for tourists as well (e.g. holder of German B license visiting Spain), let alone non-EU-driving licenses.
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2. If you only want A1, just apply for A1 learner's permit, do the 8 hours course, no further exam needed.
And If I want the A License? Do I have to obtain firs the A1?


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And If I want the A License? Do I have to obtain firs the A1?
No. You can go for A directly.
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Re: Motorbike Liscense A

My daughter and her husband did the A road test at the same time.

She passed no problem, he failed for driving too slowly!

(he passed on a retest a month later, she had previously also passed her car test on the first try here)

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And If I want the A License? Do I have to obtain firs the A1?
If you're at least 24, you can do A directly. If you're under 24, you can only do A-restricted, which will automatically become full A after 2 years.

But for A or A-restricted you need to pass an exam at some time (you can ride for practice before). I also first thought about only doing A1 because you can't really fail that, and to later upgrade to full A, but in the end I decided for full A directly, although I also failed the test the first time: I wasn't avoiding markings and manhole covers enough, and the examiner decided I also need more practice with a pillion (yes, the examiner will ride on your back as a pillion passenger).
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