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Clearly you can drive any of the above except the BMW... Probably you should buy a Bentley or an Aston Martin to really fit in!

But, seriously, you can of course buy a MINI or an Audi. We have never had any strange looks with either car.
miniMia! Great opportunity, if you have more options to sell after September, please let me know.
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The Swiss like Subaru! Fantastic winter traction thanks to 4WD. Hence, sportive off-road touch. Yet not ostentatious because it is affordable. Also fuel economy and low profile are not annoying the greens, who hate the SUV.
How about the insurance for a SUV?
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Everyone is properly getting you confused by now.

I would say - if you are a family of 3 (yourself, wife + child) and you have a max budget of 20K CHF and taking into consideration, that you were used to a Ford Fiesta - you should then go for either a leasing car or a second hand car.

It all really depends also on your income, even though the general average income of the median EF user is quite high, doesn't mean, that everyone can afford a Porche. Granted, if a company is bringing you in from Brazil, they are not giving the lowest Swiss salary.

But, play it safe... You will have a lot of expenses the first year, especially with insurances, school, apartment, furniture and exploring Swiss shops. It is nice to spend all the money of course, but a big car is a luxury and good and useful car is what you need. Think with your head, instead of dreaming back to boyhood dreams of driving around in a Porche or Masarati.

When I came down, I bought a piece of junk for circa 4K (Rover 216i), I knew it would only last for 1-2 years. But at least until we were settled in and understood the finanical expenses we had, we had a car. When the car died, I waited a few months until I found the best offer for a new car that suited my current and future needs (period of 2-4 years).

In short: Play it safe. Go for a simple car to begin with. Spend your money first on getting a good apartment in the area that you want. Then wait and evaluate. I think you wife would possibly also rather prefer that option rather than going out at just spending.
thank you very much Peter! I think your words make the sense that I was looking for. but isn't a little dangerous to buy a "piece of junk"? how about a car with more than 200,000 KM? I know that is chepeast but....
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Lob,

thanks!
According this website:
http://switzerland.isyours.com/E/imm...g_license.html

and others that I saw, my driving license is valid for one year. During this time how can I buy a car?
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Hi Marcos,

Just to clarify, you are indeed allowed to drive one year with your Brazilian licence, then you have to convert it to a Swiss licence. There's the hitch: in above link, please read carefully. It says:

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Holders of an African (except South Africa), Asian (except Japan), Central and South American, Portuguese or Turkish license must pass a practical exam. If they fail the exam, they will be required to take the full exam, written included.
So, after a year, you are in for a practical exam, aka "Kontrollfahrt" to see if you know and can drive applying Swiss traffic rules.

I know, sounds totally nuts to have you drive around for a year, and then go and check if you actually know how to drive here. Bureaucrats!
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Re: Buying a car in Switzerland

The thing is here in Switzerland cars have to be kept in VERY good shape to pass the kanton's vehicle tests.

My "piece of junk" was a Rover 216i with 136.000 KM on it, not one spot of rust, engine in perfect shape. Just check here: http://picasaweb.google.com/debrass/TheCar

It not like in other countries, where a "piece of junk" is really a car so rusty that only faith holds it together.

Car's above 200.000KM you will be taking a risk with, but you might find a dealer that is selling company leasing cars. Usually they have had very good maintenance, but they have high millage. I don't know of one in your area, but in Vaud, its ROC in Lausanne. You can easily buy a car there and just ask the dealer to deliver the car with license plates for your kanton.

But, check autoscout24.ch within your price range and you will see you have loads of choice.
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Re: Buying a car in Switzerland

Out of curiousity, what do you do if your car fails the test? How do you get rid of it? Does it become one of these export carts and if so do you get any money for selling it to an export company or rather, do you have to pay them?
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Re: Buying a car in Switzerland

I have just bought a brand new BMW X5

I am not from Eastern Europe nor do I collect Welfare.

My wife is Swiss, maiden name Iseli, so as Swiss as you can get.

We also have a Audi A6. I dont give a flying fig as to what people think of BMW, Swiss foreign or otherwise. I would suggest that you go for the car that most suit your needs and, is within your budget German cars are good but they can be expensive to maintain; on the whole I quite like them.



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BMWs are usually the choice of people coming in from Eastern Europe...
Perhaps elsewhere in Switzerland. In Geneva BMW and Mercedes are incredibly popular.

Having said that, I noticed that the only people who come in shiny new over-the-top cars to pick up their children from the daycare where my children go are us -- and a comrade Russian
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....isn't a little dangerous to buy a "piece of junk"? how about a car with more than 200,000 KM? I know that is chepeast but....
When buying a second-hand car, insist that the car has recently (within the prior 3 months) passed the Government's road-worthiness test (known as MFK). Thus you:
  • Are reasonably sure that the car is not junk.
  • Have 2 years peace till you are called up for the next MFK.
Your first few months will be very busy settling in. Last thing you want is hassles with breakdowns.
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Out of curiousity, what do you do if your car fails the test? How do you get rid of it? Does it become one of these export carts and if so do you get any money for selling it to an export company or rather, do you have to pay them?
You have these options:
  • Repair it and go for retesting. Ask the repairer for a quotation that includes guarantee of passing the test.
  • Sell it as is. Ask the dealers for a quote.
  • Trade it in as part payment for another second-hand or new car.
  • Scrap it. I once had to pay CHF 50 to scrap a car. Meanwhile metal is so expensive, that there is a positive scrap value.
So get the quotations and then decide what is best for you.
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Out of curiousity, what do you do if your car fails the test? How do you get rid of it? Does it become one of these export carts and if so do you get any money for selling it to an export company or rather, do you have to pay them?
Well, if the car fails the test, you are usually given three chances to fix it. But, if the issue is too severe, then you need to get rid of it. Your choices are:

1. Scrapyard
1a. You can usually PAY your car dealer and they will take care of getting rid of the car for you.
1b. Contact a scrapyard yourself and see if they will pickup and buy the car from you.

2. If the car is still in a fairly good condition, you can:
2a. Try to sell it online in an eastern European country yourself (Polish people tend to buy a lot of Swiss cars, for reasons unknown)
2b. Contact a car export company. (I only know of one in Geneva, I do not know about the other kantons)

As for my story: I blew the top gasket on my engine and I was too late to do anything about it, so cooling fluid leaked into the engine compartment and at the same time one or more pistons broke. I was told by the 2nd garage I went to, that this is in fact a normal issue with Rovers, almost immediately after the gasket goes the pistons goes to. And due to the - sorry, bad English design - it takes a major engine overhaul to fix the problem. In my case, the 2nd garage said he wouldn't even do it, since all the times he tried it failed or something else went wrong afterwards. The 1st garage (a certified Rover garage) wanted 2500 CHF minīmum to fix it. So me the choice was simple math: Stuff 2.5K in a 4K and hope it runs.. No, that is the wrong investment. I tried to call a few scrapyards, but they were not interested in Rovers. So, I paid the car dealer 200 CHF to get rid of the car for me. Undoubtley they salvaged what ever parts they could from the car, but I was my only real choice.
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I know, sounds totally nuts to have you drive around for a year, and then go and check if you actually know how to drive here. Bureaucrats!

Thanks marmoset! But I traveled around some countries, and I think is possible to drive there, of course I will have to learn the local rules! I don't want to get some tickets!
And during my first year I will do the tests to get the local drive license!
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The thing is here in Switzerland cars have to be kept in VERY good shape to pass the kanton's vehicle tests.

My "piece of junk" was a Rover 216i with 136.000 KM on it, not one spot of rust, engine in perfect shape. Just check here: http://picasaweb.google.com/debrass/TheCar

It not like in other countries, where a "piece of junk" is really a car so rusty that only faith holds it together.

Car's above 200.000KM you will be taking a risk with, but you might find a dealer that is selling company leasing cars. Usually they have had very good maintenance, but they have high millage. I don't know of one in your area, but in Vaud, its ROC in Lausanne. You can easily buy a car there and just ask the dealer to deliver the car with license plates for your kanton.

But, check autoscout24.ch within your price range and you will see you have loads of choice.
Thanks Peter again! I was thinking that your car was very bad. It is good to know that you can have a good car with high milage . I hope I will hve luck to find one!
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I have just bought a brand new BMW X5

I am not from Eastern Europe nor do I collect Welfare.

My wife is Swiss, maiden name Iseli, so as Swiss as you can get.

We also have a Audi A6. I dont give a flying fig as to what people think of BMW, Swiss foreign or otherwise. I would suggest that you go for the car that most suit your needs and, is within your budget German cars are good but they can be expensive to maintain; on the whole I quite like them.



Happy driving
thanks Conor! I didn't know that the maintainace cost to a German car is more expesive that other, like japanese! Because I am seeing some A6s.
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I have just bought a brand new BMW X5

I am not from Eastern Europe nor do I collect Welfare.

My wife is Swiss, maiden name Iseli, so as Swiss as you can get.

We also have a Audi A6. I dont give a flying fig as to what people think of BMW, Swiss foreign or otherwise. I would suggest that you go for the car that most suit your needs and, is within your budget German cars are good but they can be expensive to maintain; on the whole I quite like them.



Happy driving
Great! I like very much German cars, I am just thinking about the maintainance and the insurance!
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Great! I like very much German cars, I am just thinking about the maintainance and the insurance!
You do not have to go Amag, which is the main Audi dealer for servicing. However if you need to get parts replaced, they are not cheap.

As for insurance, we will pay CHF2000 I think.
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You do not have to go Amag, which is the main Audi dealer for servicing. However if you need to get parts replaced, they are not cheap.

As for insurance, we will pay CHF2000 I think.
Do I have to pay this value in total one time, or can I pay in some parts a month?
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Do I have to pay this value in total one time, or can I pay in some parts a month?
According to the wife you can pay in instalments. She takes care of all the bills
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According to the wife you can pay in instalments. She takes care of all the bills
Good!!! I was thinkg to start to save some money now!!!!!

Any tip to find a good car? Store, website, here in forum, etc?
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Good!!! I was thinkg to start to save some money now!!!!!

Any tip to find a good car? Store, website, here in forum, etc?
I dont know of any offhand. I will check and get back to you. I would suspect that there are car magazines advertising private sales etc.

Autoscout.ch is a website where cars can be traded, so I have just been told.

Good luck!
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