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Imported my Ducati xDiavel. Now to get Zug plates

Hi Everyone,

I am 8 weeks in Switzerland. Been lurking on the forums and learning a lot. I haven't quite discovered the answer to this question here, so hoping someone can help.

My bike arrives tomorrow, and I am trying to work out insurance and registration.

The bike is in new condition - but it does have the termignoni exhaust on it (It came with the new bike) - it sounds frickin awesome on the xDiavel but i doubt it would past noise inspections.

I have my Australian plates on the bike, and legally i think i can ride it in Switzerland for up to 12 months, but my insurance broker can't offer insurance without the Zug Plates (and Australian insurance won't cover it outside of Australia). So i am not going to ride it without the plates.

How would you approach this ?

Can I get the local Ducati dealer to complete the inspection and get me plates? Obviously pay through the ass for it, but thats switzerland. I have the original exhaust, but I'd rather not have to put it back on, then have it refitted post the inspection (or is there no way around that?).

3 questions:
- What is the best way to get Swiss registration ?

- Any tips on mechanics in the Zug/Schwyz/Zurich area that would be friendly to inspections ? (In australia most mechanics would pass the termi exhaust, although is over the dB rules). (are they super strict here?)

- Is there a way to get insurance to cover me on Australian plates to give me time to sort out the inspection etc ?

I have been reading websites and getting myself very confused, and not speaking Deutsch just makes it harder. So any advise from the wise would be very much appreciated. I'd love to get a ride in before I need to store it for winter!

Thanks
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Re: Imported my Ducati xDiavel. Now to get Zug plates

Insurance on Australian plates: You can get frontier insurance from a customs office. It is CHF 100 for one month and CHF 500 for six months. It is the mandatory 3rd party liability coverage only.
https://www.nbi-ngf.ch/en/nvb/dokume...nzversicherung
Customs offices: http://www.pwebapps.ezv.admin.ch/apps/dst/?lang=1
If the exhaust is truly legal and allowed in the jurisdiction of the license plate you can drive with it on Swiss roads.

Inspection: It is not done by any mechanic but at the central place at Steinhausen. There is no turning a blind eye.
https://www.zg.ch/behoerden/sicherhe.../import-export

Exhaust: This might be a problem for passing the import inspection. Although there are some relaxation in case the vehicle has be in use abroad for at least 24 months it must still pass the relevant Swiss noise regulation.
http://www.astra2.admin.ch/media/pdf...-27_2418_d.pdf

According Termingoni the exhaust for the xDiavel seems not to be street legal in the EU and Switzerland https://www.termignoni.it/en/product...-2/xdiavel-en/ means that it will most likely not meet the noise regulations. Nevertheless check if there is an European type approval number on the exhaust, maybe you have an older model. The approval number is an e in a square followed by some numbers.

If there is not type approval number it is for track only. Be aware about spot checks in the mountain passes where they check if the bike is according the regulations. If not, you might have to walk home.

If there is an type approval number you should get a document from producer or Swiss importer that the exhaust is allowed on your bike. You will have to carry it when you ride the bike. Obviously the dB-eater must also be installed. The Swiss authorities are a bit picky about what information has to be on said document. The normal documents you usually get from EU shops or the original Manufacturer might lack some important details and only the Swiss import can give you the right one. As we are in Switzerland they might charge you some hundred francs for that.
https://asa.ch/wp-content/uploads/we...index.html#p=6
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Re: Imported my Ducati xDiavel. Now to get Zug plates

Thanks for that, that is really helpful.

re the Exhaust... no its not legal... although i didn't realize that when it was sold to me by the Ducati dealer with the bike (I thought because it was a sold by Ducati it was ok - similar to how AMGs are legal despite the louder exhausts).

Loud pipes just are not something that Australian police focus on too much (unless you don't pass the no dickheads policy - in which case they will defect the shit out of your bike/car).

By the sounds of it, I will get the ducati dealer to put the stock exhaust back on. And i can play it by ear on if i want to put the Termi's back on down the track once i get the lay of riding in Switzerland (theres been plenty of loud bikes I've heard around). If the bike has a loud exhaust - do they seriously not give you a 'defect' notice and let you ride home, with a fine / need to rectify within a couple of weeks (thats how it works in Australia)
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Re: Imported my Ducati xDiavel. Now to get Zug plates

You will need to get a COC from the importer, CHF 1500 or so. Or do a special inspection, also CHF 1500 or so.

And return it to stock.

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You will need to get a COC from the importer, CHF 1500 or so. Or do a special inspection, also CHF 1500 or so.

And return it to stock.

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hi Tom, what do you mean COC ?
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hi Tom, what do you mean COC ?
Certificate of Conformity.

Ask the importer.

https://www.google.com/search?client...bmQiA4gBAQ;mv:[[47.488674499999995,8.9578241],[46.11169350000001,5.9868451]];tbs:lrf:!2m1!1e3!3sIAE,lf:1,lf_ui:4

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Re: Imported my Ducati xDiavel. Now to get Zug plates

For the Canton of Geneva:

http://ge.ch/justice/sites/default/f...raventions.pdf


C01.R.- 300.00 Véhicule automobile équipé d'un système d'échappement défectueux. LCR Art. 29 - 93 OETV Art. 52 - 53
C01.S.- 500.00 Véhicule automobile équipé d'un système d'échappement bruyant. LCR Art. 29 - 93 OETV Art. 52 - 53
C01.T.- 240.00 Véhicule automobile équipé d'un système d'échappement non réceptionné. LCR Art. 29 - 93 OETV Art. 52 - 53
C01.U.- 240.00 Véhicule automobile équipé d'un système d'échappement non conforme. LCR Art. 29 - 93 OETV Art. 52 - 53


roughly translated (in order). The figure is the fine.



vehicle with defective exhaust system
vehicle with noisy exhaust system
vehicle with unapproved exhaust system

vehicle with exhaust system not in compliance
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Re: Imported my Ducati xDiavel. Now to get Zug plates

.....oh dear me
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Re: Imported my Ducati xDiavel. Now to get Zug plates

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The bike is in new condition - but it does have the termignoni exhaust on it (It came with the new bike) - it sounds frickin awesome on the xDiavel but i doubt it would past noise inspections.
- Any tips on mechanics in the Zug/Schwyz/Zurich area that would be friendly to inspections ? (In australia most mechanics would pass the termi exhaust, although is over the dB rules). (are they super strict here?)

Just about exhaust:
- I bought used bike with non original exhaust, the exchange was already approved and written in grey card

- I went few times trough complete closure of roads where they were checking every motorbike. They do it during high season and on "biker's" road. Once was on the road to Flüella pass and twice in kanton Schwyz.
- even going through all this well, on the last control on Strassenverkehrsamt, the controller measured the loudness of the exhaust, proclaimed it too loud (maybe because of age?) and I had to come later

What I wanted to say: exhaust has to be street legal (papers) and not louder than it is stated on the small shield on bike. Yes, they are pretty sensitive about it, and you can pass few times and it doesn't mean you will pass next time.
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For the Canton of Geneva:
Be aware of the following: These are not regular simple on spot fines given by the police for minor traffic infractions. There is no equivalent simple fine. (See https://www.admin.ch/opc/fr/classifi...138/index.html ). The list is more a guidline, non binding and for canton GE only. Actual fine depends on the particular case. Other canton other fines, other case other fine.

As not police but a judge/prosecutor has to decide there will also be substantial court fees. In addition there will be a warning or license suspension handed out by the driving license authority, plus more fees for that. After all bills are paid you have lost easily CHF 500, even if the actual fine was just CHF 240.
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Re: Imported my Ducati xDiavel. Now to get Zug plates

I've been fined once in 33 years here for noise, with 7 bikes.

The cop told me that if I had had my db-killers installed, I'd have been good, so I installed them as soon as I got home, and into my other two Ducatis as well (though one of them already had them as even for me it was too load without them, same for my Guzzi/sidecar)

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7 bikes does probably make quite a noise i guess
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Re: Imported my Ducati xDiavel. Now to get Zug plates

Quick question.. hopefull the last... i want to take the bike to a mechanic tomorrow or Friday.... how can i do that legally (its not far - about 15 minutes). He will register and take care of it all for me... is there a legal way to do that without having plates? (ideally that i can do online if needed to buy 1 day insurance)
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Re: Imported my Ducati xDiavel. Now to get Zug plates

Not sure if you could get a day plates for an foreign vehicle.
Nevertheless they are around CHF 80, which means a 1 month frontier insurance for CHF 100 is more economical.
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Quick question.. hopefull the last... i want to take the bike to a mechanic tomorrow or Friday.... how can i do that legally (its not far - about 15 minutes). He will register and take care of it all for me... is there a legal way to do that without having plates? (ideally that i can do online if needed to buy 1 day insurance)

Trailer or get the mechanic to come over with his garage plates and do it for you.

Unlikely he will "lends" his plates before he knows you and with a problem bike even less likely


Push it


You cannot legally have it on the road with no plates, insurance is only one side of the equasion.
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Did you get an estimate for the work?


There are tails on here of people going to the mechanic and saying 'prepare the car for the mfk' and getting an horrendous bill.
You should at least put a limit where they have to call you.


Also, please make yourself aware of the motoring laws in case they differ from Oz. Specifically the give way to the right at some junctions, and filtering is not allowed (ie, no zooming to the front of the queue in standing traffic).

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Trailer or get the mechanic to come over with his garage plates and do it for you.

Unlikely he will "lends" his plates before he knows you and with a problem bike even less likely


Push it


You cannot legally have it on the road with no plates, insurance is only one side of the equasion.
Lending them is no longer a real possibility. My daughter worked at a bike dealer and they would lend me plates for the weekend (we had some problems importing a Ducati 999R that I had bought at the factory, so used dealer plates for nearly a year), but those days are over.

My local mechanic will lend me plates for short periods, but if controlled I need to claim that I"m doing a test ride.

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You cannot legally have it on the road with no plates, insurance is only one side of the equasion.
I thought I read you had 12mths from entry to switch it over if you had imported as part of your personal items/household effects. Vs it being illegal - its more what insurance coverage I’d have.

Certainly causing me some ball hurt, didn’t think it would be that hard getting it sorted.
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What plates you got on it, what insurance you got on it ?
(at the time you decide to ride in in Switzerland)
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You cannot legally have it on the road with no plates, insurance is only one side of the equasion.
Apparently he still has Aussie plates. As stated twice before, all he need is a frontier insurance available from a customs office.
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