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Old 18.11.2019, 21:21
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Stick'Air - a new measure to fight Geneva's smog

We have adopted a compromise between economic freedom and the right to breathe healthy air,” said Antonio Hodgers, the president of Geneva’s cantonal parliament.

In an effort to reduce air pollution and its health hazards, the Geneva authorities have approved a measure to ban the most polluting vehicles driving through the city centre when air pollution reaches certain levels.

The ban will apply to all vehicles – Swiss and foreign – and be enforced during smog alerts, effective January 15, 2020. Geneva is the first place in Switzerland to take such action.

Any vehicle planning to drive through Geneva city centre must display a sticker that indicates its environmental performance – in other words, its potential to pollute. The stickers are divided into six categories, from “grey” for the least ecological models to “green” for electric vehicles and those that run on hydrogen.

When smog levels are high in Geneva and the authorities issue an alert, cars with grey stickers will be the first ones banned from entering the city centre between 6am-10pm. If smog conditions persist, restrictions will apply to the other more polluting categories in a “progressive and temporary manner”.

Drivers that ignore the advisory notices and enter the city centre on such days can be fined CHF500. Starting in December, motorists can buy stickers for CHF5 from service stations, the Geneva cantonal vehicle service and from other outlets.

More: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-f...fJztHkBRXiE-qQ
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Re: Stick'Air - a new measure to fight Geneva's smog

More details here on how to get your sticker and how it applies to the different vehicles.

https://www.ge.ch/stick-air-circulat...aron-stick-air

Althouth it applies from 15 January 2020, there is a certain tolérance until March 2020.

Unfortunately with Genève's geography it will likely catch a lot of people travelling through that have no idea and few alternatives.
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Old 07.12.2019, 23:47
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Re: Stick'Air - a new measure to fight Geneva's smog

In the event the pollution limit is reached, (2 - 4 days a year), the public transport system in Geneva can be used free of charge.
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Re: Stick'Air - a new measure to fight Geneva's smog

Electric vehicles??
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Electric vehicles??
Are the best category, green sticker, so wouldn't be restricted, but still need to have the sticker.
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We have adopted a compromise between economic freedom and the right to breathe healthy air,” said Antonio Hodgers, the president of Geneva’s cantonal parliament.

In an effort to reduce air pollution and its health hazards, the Geneva authorities have approved a measure to ban the most polluting vehicles driving through the city centre when air pollution reaches certain levels.

The ban will apply to all vehicles – Swiss and foreign – and be enforced during smog alerts, effective January 15, 2020. Geneva is the first place in Switzerland to take such action.

Any vehicle planning to drive through Geneva city centre must display a sticker that indicates its environmental performance – in other words, its potential to pollute. The stickers are divided into six categories, from “grey” for the least ecological models to “green” for electric vehicles and those that run on hydrogen.

When smog levels are high in Geneva and the authorities issue an alert, cars with grey stickers will be the first ones banned from entering the city centre between 6am-10pm. If smog conditions persist, restrictions will apply to the other more polluting categories in a “progressive and temporary manner”.

Drivers that ignore the advisory notices and enter the city centre on such days can be fined CHF500. Starting in December, motorists can buy stickers for CHF5 from service stations, the Geneva cantonal vehicle service and from other outlets.

More: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-f...fJztHkBRXiE-qQ
Hope they don't start that with people as well! But then of course its the person that buys the car so maybe better that the person wears such a sticker or maybe a tattoo would be better.
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Re: Stick'Air - a new measure to fight Geneva's smog

This system mirrors the system already in use in a number of French cities. Your Geneva sticker will be valid in Lyon, Paris, etc and v.v.

A very good idea, I think. I look forward to this spreading in Switzerland and the trigger points to be reduced. We need to reduce the emissions before they become a problem.

It is a pity that the cars are judged not on actual emissions but on the value given by the manufacturer.
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Re: Stick'Air - a new measure to fight Geneva's smog

Any vehicle planning to drive through Geneva city centre must display a sticker that indicates its environmental performance – in other words, its potential to pollute.


Simply ban all vehicles! The Swiss politicians are so dumb.

Just to make money for the city transport authorities! 5 CHF for the sticker. That comes to quite a few million!

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Old 08.12.2019, 10:38
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Just to make money for the city transport authorities! 5 CHF for the sticker. That comes to quite a few million!
And the production, distribution and commissions will be free? The amount remaining after all that is unlikely to be more than a franc, if that.
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This system mirrors the system already in use in a number of French cities. Your Geneva sticker will be valid in Lyon, Paris, etc and v.v.

A very good idea, I think. I look forward to this spreading in Switzerland and the trigger points to be reduced. We need to reduce the emissions before they become a problem.

It is a pity that the cars are judged not on actual emissions but on the value given by the manufacturer.
I was in Lyon in a petrol car while this was supposedly in force. There appeared not attention paid it by neither motorists nor the authorities.

The question is how is such a system really enforceable for through traffic??
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Old 08.12.2019, 12:27
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Re: Stick'Air - a new measure to fight Geneva's smog

I don't think this measure will do much for the air.
Can't speak for France, but in Italy traffic limitations are enforced since years every time pollution exceeds limits, which in some years is many days. Benefits are small even when 50% of the cars are banned, and in any case very temporary; cities applying it keep exceeding pollution levels. There's a lot of debate about it, and some cities are moving to other models (e.g. permanent restrictions in Milan city center).

In my opinion it's a good principle but should be applied on a wider scale and all the year round to actually produce sensible benefits. In other words, if you think traffic has a high share of pollution you should fight to reduce it day after day with a long-term strategy - with projects like Léman Express.
Otherwise it's like being massively overweight and enforcing a diet only for the day you go to the doctor...
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Old 08.12.2019, 14:13
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Otherwise it's like being massively overweight and enforcing a diet only for the day you go to the doctor...
Diet advice to an overweight person is about helping one person to help themselves. The anti-pollution controls are about adding immediate measures to protect the health of a city if daily pollution limits are reached.

On the handful of days a year where the pollution limit is likely to be breached, the highest polluting vehicles should be restricted first.

The vignette and offering free public transport alternative seems a remarkably pragmatic and proportionate approach.
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Re: Stick'Air - a new measure to fight Geneva's smog

what will help with the air is if these overfed politicians did not fart so much!
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Re: Stick'Air - a new measure to fight Geneva's smog

I don't know why they just don't mandate testing every 5 or so years. If your car doesn't pass you don't get to renew your insurance which means no driving. Easier to enforce than a sticker.
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Old 08.12.2019, 19:01
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Re: Stick'Air - a new measure to fight Geneva's smog

I dont think it will be very easily enforcable but the way i see it is this: Id rather pay 5 francs for some sticker than risk a 500 franc fine if i ever get caught. I live in the centre area anyway so its a small price to pay to have peace of mind
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Old 13.12.2019, 14:01
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Unfortunately with Genève's geography it will likely catch a lot of people travelling through that have no idea and few alternatives.
Actually I'm not sure the alternatives bit is true. The restricted area is quite small and I notice you can still drive round the lake and over the Mont-Blanc bridge. Which, given the amount of traffic that uses that route, makes me think these restrictions won't make much difference.
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The anti-pollution controls are about adding immediate measures to protect the health of a city if daily pollution limits are reached.
My point was, the Italian experience strongly suggest this protection is not really that effective.

It would be, if
1. most of global pollution would be caused only by old cars
2. air would clean itself within hours

What actually happens is
1. industries, airports and home heating keep running
2. air can stagnate for days depending on weather

That's why I wrote, it's like doing a diet for just one day.

In Italy it was barely effective even when the ban was based not on car age but on plate numbers being odd or even, therefore banning 50% of cars every day... which I guess is more than what will happen in Geneva. The ban could go on for days, usually it ended at the first heavy rain or strong wind.

On the other side, Léman Express was inaugurated yesterday and will open tomorrow. That should permanently remove some cars from the city

That's what I love about Switzerland: there are short-term solutions but also mid-term and long term ones, sometimes even quite expensive!
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My point was, the Italian experience strongly suggest this protection is not really that effective.
Maybe it's not so much about the measure but the fact that it's (should be) put in place in Italy.

Does anybody have data from Germany?
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Maybe it's not so much about the measure but the fact that it's (should be) put in place in Italy.
If you are suggesting that because it's Italy these measures are actually not enforced, well, this one was, and has been for many years. City boundaries were officially defined and city police was guarding the access roads, sometimes even with roadblocks. The plate number had to be even or odd, there was no room for discussion, frauds or excuses.

There could actually be one difference between Italy and Germany, though: the weather. In Italy the Northern Plain suffers from lack of ventilation and air stagnation, particularly in winter months, and of course this leads to fog, as you probably know from movies, and also accumulation of pollution.

Another difference with Germany is that in Germany the bans are sometimes enforced all year round (with the Umweltzonen) and not only for a few days. Which was exactly my point.
Milano has copied that model, it's called "Area C". It's not completely the same but has more or less the same effect: permanently discouraging or banning some traffic from the city center. It seems to have significant effects, but internet sources don't completely agree on the subject.
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Re: Stick'Air - a new measure to fight Geneva's smog

It's also good to see that the French Crit'Air sticker is valid for the Geneva restricted area. I got that for my Irish car when that came out, as I spend time in the Grenoble region and that city was on the restriction list.
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