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Re: Sports car on a budget

What about a Honda S2000?
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What about a Honda S2000?

No back seats at all. You need to be revving it at around 4-5k minimum for fun, it redlines at around 8500 rpm (or at least mine did). Great as a summer car; I ended up selling mine because I couldn't get it out of the garage for over 3 months


To the OP - sounds like a case for a Mitsubishi Evo? Almost all are manual, but that aside, the 4WD makes it a perfect mountain car. Corners on rails. Evo VI if you can lay your hands on one for raw power but rather expensive for servicing etc as all parts handmade; otherwise one of the very last Evo Xs. A discontinued Q car that was never made in huge numbers anyway so residuals seem to be good. And has the added merit of 4 seats & 4WD, making it a very sensible year-round car (i.e. probably easier to "sell" to the OH ). I've managed to fit 3 adults, 1 large dog, 1 cat, 3 pairs of skis & luggage for 4 in mine
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What about a Honda S2000?
ultra rare (8 pcs on sale on AutoScout), means probably longer time to sell. Even if I let go of the back seat requirement, no ESP in most - that's a major no-no. I want to have fun while appreciating the electronics that watch over my life.
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ultra rare (8 pcs on sale on AutoScout), means probably longer time to sell. Even if I let go of the back seat requirement, no ESP in most - that's a major no-no. I want to have fun while appreciating the electronics that watch over my life.
You're too demanding
Did you consider a hot hatch, like a Megane RS?
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You're too demanding
Did you consider a hot hatch, like a Megane RS?
I know - if it was easy I would've just did it the Swiss way and leased some ultra expensive German Superlimousine and that would've been it. But I'd rather put the money into a passive income property fund after the season and see it grow instead of losing value like a rocket ship leaving Earth.

Civic Type R and Mégane RS are fantastic cars but they are FWD. I would want a CTR for a daily driver, were I not living 300 meters from my workplace. Now I just enjoy the daily walk and the savings instead.

I'm fairly content on the following models now:
- the BMW M235i I posted as a compromise (not an M2, but so much cheaper, not a very tight chassis but then the sun's nice in topless mode ), alternatively a 228i that should be a better balanced car for power and handling
- Toyota GT86/BRZ with an NA engine, yay (with new child seats)
- Mazda MX5 Revolution NC or ND (with no backseat)
- A Porsche 718 (a dream but too pricey) or a Cayman/Boxster again with no backseat
- Considering the Subaru WRX (I'm not an Evo person) as it was way too affordable

The RS8, Maserati, early Astons are beautiful but I'd be praying every weekend that nothing shall break with the car or else it's gonna cost a fortune. Not sure I want to run that risk.
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Re: Sports car on a budget

Buy a computer game, far cheaper.


Good sports cars are expensive, you'll not be happy until you get what you want and the only person who know that is you.



Buy it, enjoy it and move on.


All these investments in houses, stocks, shares & funds are wonderful, but you only live once.............and the last shirt has no pockets
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Also don't forget that the more the car leans towards a "normal" road model the less time it takes to give it a proper blast on the track, cars that are build for racing and than made road legal take more time to get properly used to, and since you will only use it one summer this might matter.

(My experience at least)

Personally I'd just settle for something like an Audi RS6, perfect combination of space and speed.
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am in racing simulation for quite a while now.

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that is true unless you have a spouse, parent, kids or other dependents that you need to provide for. I'm not the YOLO kind (if I were, this thread wouldn't have started, see 3 posts above).
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Re: Sports car on a budget

Tesla Model 3, SR+.

There's one with Winter-tires here for 48900

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/tesl...rites%3fr%3d30

Even with tow-bar.

Though a completely new one isn't much more expensive.

I'd go for the LR AWD, though.
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Tesla Model 3, SR+.

There's one with Winter-tires here for 48900

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/tesl...rites%3fr%3d30

Even with tow-bar.

Though a completely new one isn't much more expensive.

I'd go for the LR AWD, though.
that's funny, the Standard Plus starts at 45k base price

Tesla's can be rented at Galaxus/Carvolution for 6 months for 7k, all inclusive (minus charging). Not a bad deal, but even if it's quicker than most, I don't feel like an EV is an absolute blast with no engine noise.

I had a reservation from day 1 (1st april 2016) on a Model3 but I cancelled mine when the first edition was 70k instead of the "promised" 35k :-)
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Re: Sports car on a budget

Here you go OP.
Meets almost all criteria. Built 2005 but low mileage.
Even has a sun roof!
https://www.comparis.ch/carfinder/ma.../show/12539431
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Here you go OP.
Meets almost all criteria. Built 2005 but low mileage.
Even has a sun roof!
https://www.comparis.ch/carfinder/ma.../show/12539431

...about as sporty as a 1.3GL Opel Vectra !!


Nice car though if you want a cruiser/limo fr comfort
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Re: Sports car on a budget

Given your desire to own the car for a short period and then flip it, I'd recommend an emerging classic car that has a flat depreciation curve or has begun to slowly appreciate. For example, the BMW E30 M3 (1986-1991), Porsche 911 996 (1997-2006), or pretty much any Miata over 10 years old.

Oh, and the E30 M3 has a real back seat.
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Given your desire to own the car for a short period and then flip it, I'd recommend an emerging classic car that has a flat depreciation curve or has begun to slowly appreciate. For example, the BMW E30 M3 (1986-1991), Porsche 911 996 (1997-2006), or pretty much any Miata over 10 years old.

Oh, and the E30 M3 has a real back seat.
The idea is great, but I don't really dare own a 996 anymore after reading this and thinking about Swiss servicing prices:
https://www.motorious.com/articles/f...6-buying-guide

One car I saw on AutoScout had a 4.5k bill from the last Mfk.
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how about a Maserati grantourismo as a wildcard, and pray daily it does not need any major work, good back seats, v8 and the autobox is good (if you like that kind of thing)
GT is NOT a sports car, not by a long shot. It's a grand tourer, it says it on the tin as well

Engine placement helps a lot, but it's a big ol' thing, and too soft to have any sort of sporting aspirations.

More reliable than you'd think - a looked after post-2010 model would be quite OK actually.


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No back seats at all. You need to be revving it at around 4-5k minimum for fun, it redlines at around 8500 rpm (or at least mine did). Great as a summer car; I ended up selling mine because I couldn't get it out of the garage for over 3 months


To the OP - sounds like a case for a Mitsubishi Evo? Almost all are manual, but that aside, the 4WD makes it a perfect mountain car. Corners on rails. Evo VI if you can lay your hands on one for raw power but rather expensive for servicing etc as all parts handmade; otherwise one of the very last Evo Xs. A discontinued Q car that was never made in huge numbers anyway so residuals seem to be good. And has the added merit of 4 seats & 4WD, making it a very sensible year-round car (i.e. probably easier to "sell" to the OH ). I've managed to fit 3 adults, 1 large dog, 1 cat, 3 pairs of skis & luggage for 4 in mine

1. Proper S2000s rev to 9 The ones that rev lower do have ESP. First couple of years I drove mine year-round - with proper tires it has no issues if you're taking care.

2. EVOs are ridiculously unreliable - at least the older ones.
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Re: Sports car on a budget

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Nice car though if you want a cruiser/limo fr comfort

Shouldn't underestimate it.

With a V8 335 PS motor that provides 0 to 100 in under 7 seconds its no ordinary sedan.
More like a wolf dressed as a sheep.
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Shouldn't underestimate it.

With a V8 335 PS motor that provides 0 to 100 in under 7 seconds its no ordinary sedan.
More like a wolf dressed as a sheep.
A 0-100 of between 6 and 7 seconds isn't really very quick these days.
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Shouldn't underestimate it.

With a V8 335 PS motor that provides 0 to 100 in under 7 seconds its no ordinary sedan.
More like a wolf dressed as a sheep.

It's a limo....and "under 7 seconds" big deal, plenty of cars do that in a far more sporty mode.


If you want a limo, then fîne, it's a great car but the guy wants a sports car not a Panzer !
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Shouldn't underestimate it.

With a V8 335 PS motor that provides 0 to 100 in under 7 seconds its no ordinary sedan.
More like a wolf dressed as a sheep.
I thought you were joking above.

At 2.3 tons weight it's anything but sporty with 300 HP.
That's the same power-to-weight as 1.2t with 160 HP (MX5), just a lot more of everything (petrol, insurance, taxes, tyres - also seats).

A phaeton is an überlimo that that does what it should quite well - that is, be a silent speeder on the highway.
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