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Re: Sports car on a budget

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It's a limo....and "under 7 seconds" big deal, plenty of cars do that in a far more sporty mode.


If you want a limo, then fîne, it's a great car but the guy wants a sports car not a Panzer !
then go for the one and only VW sports car, the wolf in hairdresser clothes: https://www.autoscout24.ch/5459037
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Re: Sports car on a budget

Oh my Mazda came out with a 184HP MX5 in late 2019
This is like a modern-day S2000.



Too bad they start at 30k new, which would surely blow the budget.
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Old 03.01.2020, 21:46
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then go for the one and only VW sports car, the wolf in hairdresser clothes: https://www.autoscout24.ch/5459037
Its manual and over OPs budget!
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Old 04.01.2020, 00:02
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Re: Sports car on a budget

I'm coming closer to nailing it down. I think all these options are easily doable to have max. 5k CHF loss per season.

MX5 Revolution/160HP with 3.5 years warranty still left?

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/mazd...desc&vehtyp=10

This would really be a no-brainer to buy
- enough power to have fun (and keep license)
- superb handling
- surely no problem for a single season, still able to sell with lots of warranty
- and I love the Miata

But the M235i from earlier seems to be a better option on a lot of fronts:
https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/bmw-...&vehid=7299680
- has back seats that actually work for even 2 grown-ups
- has a way larger boot space
- not as nifty on tracks, but still plenty fast.
But then:
- 500kg more weight

Or this Cayman ( )
https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/pors..._desc%26r%3d30

But then:
- 12 years old
- Porsche servicing prices, potential pitfalls

The GT86 does have back seats but they are really only for kids or absolute emergencies, so I disqualified it.
The new ND2 Miata still needs to drop about 6-8k to be financially viable, disqualified (but very attractive).

decisions, decisions... (1stworldproblems...)
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Re: Sports car on a budget

I would not go for the BMW. You said that you wanted a sports car, but this isn’t one. If you said that you wanted a sporty, practical car, then I would say go for it. I think that your requirements rule out getting a sports car that has some practicality. I also think that you will be very disappointed by the driving dynamics of the BMW if you compared it to the MX5.
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Old 04.01.2020, 10:10
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Re: Sports car on a budget

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I'm coming closer to nailing it down. I think all these options are easily doable to have max. 5k CHF loss per season.

MX5 Revolution/160HP with 3.5 years warranty still left?

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/mazd...desc&vehtyp=10

This would really be a no-brainer to buy
- enough power to have fun (and keep license)
- superb handling
- surely no problem for a single season, still able to sell with lots of warranty
- and I love the Miata


Thought it had to be an automatic?
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Re: Sports car on a budget

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Thought it had to be an automatic?
Only for convenience. Miatas can be had with auto gearbox, this isn't one. But it's not a deal breaker.

If I keep all my requirements hard it only gives me the bimmer.
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Old 04.01.2020, 11:05
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Only for convenience. Miatas can be had with auto gearbox, this isn't one. But it's not a deal breaker.

If I keep all my requirements hard it only gives me the bimmer.

Then I'd go for the Impreza.
- Less than 6K
- Faster car
- Better handling
- But you might lose your license to drive.
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Old 04.01.2020, 18:32
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Re: Sports car on a budget

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then go for the one and only VW sports car, the wolf in hairdresser clothes: https://www.autoscout24.ch/5459037
Well, they also made another special edition of the beetle, the GSR. The yellow and black they come in is not exactly better though: https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/vw-b...=Gsr&vehtyp=10
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Re: Sports car on a budget

April to October is a really short time. If by pure bad luck the car develops any problem, you'll be worrying about repairs instead of driving those mountain passes.



What about rent? You may have a BMW 2 series cabrio for a weekend for 380 CHF. They're usually 220i cabrio with 184 HP https://carladrives.ch/
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Old 06.01.2020, 15:05
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Re: Sports car on a budget

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April to October is a really short time. If by pure bad luck the car develops any problem, you'll be worrying about repairs instead of driving those mountain passes.



What about rent? You may have a BMW 2 series cabrio for a weekend for 380 CHF. They're usually 220i cabrio with 184 HP https://carladrives.ch/
a heavy cabrio with 184hp is hardly sports car
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April to October is a really short time. If by pure bad luck the car develops any problem, you'll be worrying about repairs instead of driving those mountain passes.



What about rent? You may have a BMW 2 series cabrio for a weekend for 380 CHF. They're usually 220i cabrio with 184 HP https://carladrives.ch/
A 220i is something one can go shopping with

Carvolution has a Cayman GTS available at a whopping 2750 CHF per month:
https://www.carvolution.com/en/cars/Porsche-Cayman-GTS
(no track allowed, though, and 6 months minimum)

Galaxus has a 5.0 V8 Mustang for 3 months on offer for a total of 4500 CHF (1750km/month)
https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s4/product...361?tagIds=950
(also no track - also, 1750km seems quite low)
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A 220i is something one can go shopping with

Carvolution has a Cayman GTS available at a whopping 2750 CHF per month:
https://www.carvolution.com/en/cars/Porsche-Cayman-GTS
(no track allowed, though, and 6 months minimum)

Galaxus has a 5.0 V8 Mustang for 3 months on offer for a total of 4500 CHF (1750km/month)
https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s4/product...361?tagIds=950
(also no track - also, 1750km seems quite low)
I'm surprised in 2 ways. The first is driving a recent Cayman GTS for ~3000 a month. Not cheap, but it could be great for a spring/summer season. One of the happiest ways to burn 18K

The second surprise is that the Cayman GTS curb weigth is 1405 kg (PDK), 1450 (manual). It's small, there's no rear seat, it's not a cabrio, why so heavy?
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I'm surprised in 2 ways. The first is driving a recent Cayman GTS for ~3000 a month. Not cheap, but it could be great for a spring/summer season. One of the happiest ways to burn 18K

The second surprise is that the Cayman GTS curb weigth is 1405 kg (PDK), 1450 (manual). It's small, there's no rear seat, it's not a cabrio, why so heavy?
It's not easy taking a modern car much lower than 1400 kg with required creature comforts and safety features.

The Cayman is a light car by modern standards
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The second surprise is that the Cayman GTS curb weigth is 1405 kg (PDK), 1450 (manual). It's small, there's no rear seat, it's not a cabrio, why so heavy?
I was surprised reading that the manual would be heavier than a PDK and I think you got the numbers mixed up a little… there are two standards to measure weight, depending how you include liquids I guess:

Manual
According to DIN> 1375kg
EU Norm> 1450kg

PDK
DIN> 1405kg
EU> 1480kg
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Re: Sports car on a budget

@Treverus, you're right. The Porsche site offers both weights DIN and EU standards https://www.porsche.com/internationa...turesandspecs/
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Re: Sports car on a budget

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It's not easy taking a modern car much lower than 1400 kg with required creature comforts and safety features.

The Cayman is a light car by modern standards
Well, I had a 4C ( Alfa Romeo ) for three years with all the safety features with a weight of 1050kg. ( carbon fiber tub!)
4.5 sec 0-60 and more fun to drive than any car I owned.
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Well, I had a 4C ( Alfa Romeo ) for three years with all the safety features with a weight of 1050kg. ( carbon fiber tub!)
4.5 sec 0-60 and more fun to drive than any car I owned.

I love th 4c, but you conveniently forgot the part about "creature comforts"

The 4c doesn't have power steering or anywhere to put anything.

There's not too many (awesome) crazry people out there
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Also 4C doesn't have sound insulation.
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Well, I had a 4C ( Alfa Romeo ) for three years with all the safety features with a weight of 1050kg. ( carbon fiber tub!)
4.5 sec 0-60 and more fun to drive than any car I owned.
The MX5 is 1125kg empty and has all the comfort as well.
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