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Old 10.01.2020, 11:17
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Re: Sports car on a budget

I saw one of these yesterday and thought it is a silly car but it would tick most of your boxes. The cadillac CTS-V. They're available for around the price you put in, although I wouldn't call it a pure drivers car due to the weight of them. Also you'll become very good friends with the petrol pump.

I scanned through the last few pages but did not see an Audi TT RS mentioned. They're AWD but with a rear bias from what I remember, but 340 PS with 1500kg should move along fairly nicely.
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I love th 4c, but you conveniently forgot the part about "creature comforts"

The 4c doesn't have power steering or anywhere to put anything.

There's not too many (awesome) crazry people out there
To all the critics out there about the 4C, test drive one first.
The 4C is a sports car after all. Who needs power steering and comfort.
You want to feel the road going up a mountain pass.
Sound insulation? Give me a break.
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Re: Sports car on a budget

Toyota has just released the GR Yaris - a wild hot hatch.
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Old 10.01.2020, 18:33
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Re: Sports car on a budget

Yo, calm your tatas

Of course the 4c is awesome, nobody denied that - don't get triggered.
I just said "of course it's light - it's quite barebones".

So again, what was said:

It's not easy to get a modern sports car for under 1400Kg, including creature comforts.

Then 1 person said who needs comfort - no disagreement there, but does not nulify the primary argument.
Another said that the Miata is actually doing it for under 1400Kg (the Alpine A110 as well for that matter).

Again, I said it's not easy to get cars to be light.

I didn't say it's impossible, and I didn't say the 4c or the Miata are not good options. They just don't fit the criteria that the OP set.

In any case we're discussing fully subjective things here.A cabrio 218d could be considered sporty, so obviously to each their own
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Re: Sports car on a budget

This meets your conditions:
https://www.comparis.ch/carfinder/ma.../show/25752616

Room for a kiddy seat and even has roof ventilation.

mission accomplished!
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I scanned through the last few pages but did not see an Audi TT RS mentioned. They're AWD but with a rear bias from what I remember
Front bias, actually, but in practice you don't notice.

It's not really fair to call it a bias anyway, as that implies it will feel like a front-wheel drive car, which it doesn't. It's just that torque is applied to the rear wheels when there's a difference in rotation rate between them and the fronts, so any front-WD feelings are removed before they actually happen.
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Re: Sports car on a budget

Well, apart from this from the opening post
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Hot hatch, sure, and not too underpowered at 186PS, but a Sports Car it is not.

Nor 'nice', IMO.
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Re: Sports car on a budget

What about a real men car: https://auto.ricardo.ch/de/a/tvr-v8s-4.0-802686161/

My uncle used to have one. Epic car and extremely reliable (until it breaks down again).
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What about a real men car: https://auto.ricardo.ch/de/a/tvr-v8s-4.0-802686161/

My uncle used to have one. Epic car and extremely reliable (until it breaks down again).

...if you like the smell of canoe factories...
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Re: Sports car on a budget

On a budget you may consider large engines with natural aspiration as swiss taxes are based partly on horsepower (and not on torque). Or lightweight cars with low hp as discussed before.

You can find, for example, some cheap lotus elises, they are pretty reliable and performing in regard to their low costs.
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What about a real men car: https://auto.ricardo.ch/de/a/tvr-v8s-4.0-802686161/

My uncle used to have one. Epic car and extremely reliable (until it breaks down again).
I had one back in the uk, TVR's reputation was well founded lol, build quality was terrible, really really terrible, safety features are non-existent and it will try to kill you as soon as you relax for a second.

but when its working, on a nice sunny day, its pretty hard to beat.

saying that its the most money I've ever lost on a car, 50% in a year!!
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Old 13.01.2020, 13:15
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On a budget you may consider large engines with natural aspiration as swiss taxes are based partly on horsepower (and not on torque).
Torque is directly proportional to power (and engine revs) so it wouldn't make sense to include it in the taxation. I suspect from context that you meant to refer to engine capacity, which may or may not be true, but in any case (as you say) there are other factors involved in car tax calculations.

But yeah, big engines rock.
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Old 13.01.2020, 17:40
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On a budget you may consider large engines with natural aspiration as swiss taxes are based partly on horsepower (and not on torque). Or lightweight cars with low hp as discussed before.

You can find, for example, some cheap lotus elises, they are pretty reliable and performing in regard to their low costs.
My understanding was that the taxes and even the model for the taxes depend on the canton. A lot.
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My understanding was that the taxes and even the model for the taxes depend on the canton. A lot.

Big engines (3 liters and more) pay around 1000 CHF in Zürich, 500 CHF in Aargau.



If the verkhers tax is a concern, perhaps an sports car is not a good idea.
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Big engines (3 liters and more) pay around 1000 CHF in Zürich, 500 CHF in Aargau.



If the verkhers tax is a concern, perhaps an sports car is not a good idea.
I think the OP wanted a sports car and not a muscle car. Sports cars can have quite small engines.
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What about a real men car: https://auto.ricardo.ch/de/a/tvr-v8s-4.0-802686161/

My uncle used to have one. Epic car and extremely reliable (until it breaks down again).
this one does look epic, but I'd rather that the car was built this millennium
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This meets your conditions:
https://www.comparis.ch/carfinder/ma.../show/25752616

mission accomplished!
ugh, but the looks...
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Re: Sports car on a budget

How about a Nissan Z? Proper sports car, rear wheel drive, decent quality and reliability meeting 300 horse power in a small coupe... the automatic sucks, so go for a manual.
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How about a Nissan Z? Proper sports car, rear wheel drive, decent quality and reliability meeting 300 horse power in a small coupe... the automatic sucks, so go for a manual.
yeah I got some of those on the radar (too bad I can't share my AutoScout favs list with a simple URL...).

I went to see the bimmer but apparently the owners smoke and the car stinks full of wunderbaum

And I just figured putting the little one in the back is not so straightforward until he needs his seat backwards... that's a LOT more space than forward mounting.
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And I just figured putting the little one in the back is not so straightforward until he needs his seat backwards... that's a LOT more space than forward mounting.
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