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you can check your bike's wires and brake pads but can you anticipate a bearing malfunction for example?
Yes, actually. Quite important with vintage machines.

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Old 15.01.2020, 17:41
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Yes, actually. Quite important with vintage machines.

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"Service schedules".

Anyone that's worked on aeroplanes, ships or other industrial machinery understands that components have a service life at which point they must be replaced, whether they're still "good" or not. Indeed, the same is true with cars and bikes, but perhaps to a lesser extent, depending on likelihood and impact of failure.
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Isn't this what the Mfk is for? Surely if you pass that and HAVEN'T noticed anything that the average layperson would be expected to recognize (e.g. a broken light vs an inefficient engine or some such) then you are not liable for broken parts which contribute to an accident - it's still part of an accident for which you do not have additional liability.
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Old 15.01.2020, 18:06
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No, absolutely not. They don't run a diagnostic test as part of the MfK, so it's possible for a vehicle to pass this with, potentially, all sorts of problems that won't show up in the test.

It's a moot point in this case, though, given that the OP is blaming the accident on technical issues that he had become aware of before the accident took place.
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No, absolutely not. They don't run a diagnostic test as part of the MfK, so it's possible for a vehicle to pass this with, potentially, all sorts of problems that won't show up in the test.

It's a moot point in this case, though, given that the OP is blaming the accident on technical issues that he had become aware of before the accident took place.
Sure, but I'd quite like to know if my car passes the Mfk and I don't notice anything - can I be blamed for a part failure? The mfk as I understand it, checks that the car meets the legal requirements to be driven on public roads.
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Isn't this what the Mfk is for?
Things the MFK does not check:
Alternator voltage.
Battery.
Humidity/boiling point of break fluid (The Austrian MFK does!).
Oil level.
Coolant.

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Sure, but I'd quite like to know if my car passes the Mfk and I don't notice anything - can I be blamed for a part failure?
Yes. The MFK only says that the car has been in order (but only the parts which have been checked) at exact time of inspection. A day, even an hour, latter the car might no longer be roadworthy.
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Old 15.01.2020, 18:25
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Sure, but I'd quite like to know if my car passes the Mfk and I don't notice anything - can I be blamed for a part failure? The mfk as I understand it, checks that the car meets the legal requirements to be driven on public roads.
At the date and time of the MFK, not a second later.

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"Service schedules".

Anyone that's worked on aeroplanes, ships or other industrial machinery understands that components have a service life at which point they must be replaced, whether they're still "good" or not. Indeed, the same is true with cars and bikes, but perhaps to a lesser extent, depending on likelihood and impact of failure.



Back in the late 80's, British Rail used to change the oil in their diesel locomotives every xx hours irrespective.


Then we sold the spectrometers to analyse the oil and see what metals we in it which in turn determines which bits are wearing and which bits are not from the amount of different types of metal present in the engine oil.


The result was oil was changed far less frequently, the locomotives spent more time doing what locomotives are supposed to do, rather than waiting or repositioning for an oil change (think in drums rather than 5 litre Jerry cans) and the saving for British Rail was around GBP 30 mio per year I believe.
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Things the MFK does not check:
Alternator voltage.
Battery.
Humidity/boiling point of break fluid (The Austrian MFK does!).
Oil level.
Coolant.


Yes. The MFK only says that the car has been in order (but only the parts which have been checked) at exact time of inspection. A day, even an hour, latter the car might no longer be roadworthy.
Yep, but until your ordered for the next MFK you can drive it anyway.
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Yep, but until your ordered for the next MFK you can drive it anyway.
You can drive in the same way as you could drive over a red traffic light
Doable but not legal.
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You can drive in the same way as you could drive over a red traffic light
Doable but not legal.
I have permission to keep that car on the road until next MOT. That's all I said.
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I have permission to keep that car on the road until next MOT. That's all I said.

Providing the car is in a roadworthy condition......


For instance if you pass your MOT with tyres of 2mm tread, this is legal, but after2-3'000km's they will be under the allowed tread and you are illegal, irrespective of any MOT cert or whatever else.


MOT is only part of the story
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Providing the car is in a roadworthy condition......


For instance if you pass your MOT with tyres of 2mm tread, this is legal, but after2-3'000km's they will be under the allowed tread and you are illegal, irrespective of any MOT cert or whatever else.


MOT is only part of the story
You guys don't get it. I don't argue your details. But the car has MOT until I'm ordered in again.
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You don't get brownie points for not being on the phone or drunk, it's a kind of minimum standard that you are neither.

favour?

Well, you do according to Swiss law! Hell, you even get brownie points if you're drinking but not detectable alcohol level OR under the limit in comparison to being over.... Switzerland for you-- where they can rule you too drunk to drive by not being legally drunk.

You're talking all this mess about favorable conditions and this that and the other and there are some various favors spelled out quite clearly in the law. Which is the whole reason why I'm so pissed.

And yes, mechanical issues that SHOULD have been detected by a professional I take it to or the manufacturer DOES work in ones favor.

If the car had recalls before... should NOT be a problem in theory to still drive it if it's fixed. You'd never see a Toyota on the road if not... (you probably shouldn't however after my experience)

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You guys don't get it. I don't argue your details. But the car has MOT until I'm ordered in again.



Sure, this is a fact.


Another fact is you can't drive with tyres of less than 1.8mm (?) tread with or without any other issues about valid MOT certs or anything else.


It is a combination of factors that allows you to drive legally on the roads, almost anywhere.
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its all excuses anyway, op has said he was aware of issues with his make and model yet still drove it, airbags not going off is totally irrelevant, they should only go if in the event of a large impact anyway, when they do go off its nasty so probably did the op a favour.
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Aware of prior issues? Yes. Still drove, as I fixed and was "safe". I'm not a sugar mama and can afford to buy myself a BMW and latest model just so. Car was 10 years old... only 60,000 miles... relatively little for it's age.

Airbags went off. After crash. Way after. Totally relevant due to it being connected to electrical system. The mechanic said who has inspected my car put in writing that it IS in fact possible the failure the way I described. Normal circumstances one should be able to bring the car to a halt within a few seconds but going down hill etc. makes it murky due to when my failure started. Also, the airbags we will ask for more info about as there have been 50 deaths with airbags by Toyota... This only came out after my accident.

Now I have a really strong point to argue from. They didn't pursue further as someone needs to fund this more or less as it's a US car and they don't have all the technology here.

But for sure after reading the report in depth and consulting a lawyer I'm not just going to say ok my fault and bare punishment for something I know I don't deserve the blame for. I could have died. What if that happened on the motorway? What if I hit a family?

Also... for one to say that you wouldn't be "distracted" by electrical warning signs on your car or slightly nerved is just untruthful. If not, one could argue you're also a dangerous driver... I mean who's not checking at their lights and car functions once they come on? I word distracted like alarmed.
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You can drive in the same way as you could drive over a red traffic light
Doable but not legal.
Well and good...
but unless something is falling off the vehicle or obviously in-your-face unless you're a mechanic or poking around for it you're not gonna notice. Until it's too late or the next appointment.

I just find the logic bizarre. How can one "see" something not visible to the untrained eye? Next time I'll go to Hogwarts instead of driving school...
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However, I'm kinda keeping the faith that I'll be let off easy as I've been very cooperative, patient, and truthful...and it's not a black and white case. I'm pretty sure every party is wanting to avoid court for these reasons. Very time consuming, very expensive, and tons of argumentative points on both ends.

I would be appeased if they said minor... verbal warning and off record... and small fee because I'm not going to tit for tat with IF maybe I COULD have stopped or not WITH the failure. A removal of driving permission and fine is far too extreme given the various points..
Im also not wanting to play a martyr just want to buy a new car and move the hell on.


lets hope.
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Back in the late 80's, British Rail used to change the oil in their diesel locomotives every xx hours irrespective.


Then we sold the spectrometers [...]
The result was oil was changed far less frequently
They did servicing at similar intervals. Instead of changing oil, they did spectrometers analysis on oil samples, way quicker, but still part of regular servicing.
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They did servicing at similar intervals. Instead of changing oil, they did spectrometers analysis on oil samples, way quicker, but still part of regular servicing.



Actually they took samples whilst the locomotive was in service and kept the locomotive in service until the results were available where the decision was taken to bring it to a service center or leave it run for another xx hours.
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