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Old 17.01.2020, 15:39
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It was the traffic rules ordinance itself which brought me this nice idea
Art. 96 VRV
Okay. Agreed.
Still think criminal code would be far fetched = person will more likely be fined, as Tom said.

In admin.ch there is an additional sentence to what I quoted earlier: <<Die ursprŁngliche Lage soll vorher auf der Strasse angezeichnet werden.>>
(The original positions are to be marked on the pavement).
I'll chuck a piece of chalk into my glovebox, in case someone needs help some day....

Quite interesting bits in this thead. Several of my cars have died a sudden death in the middle of a road yet always out on a limb, not even close to as exciting as the OP's case.
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I thought I made my self clear. The prosecutor does not directly decide which administrative measures (Art. 16 - 16d SVG) will be applied.

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From my understanding it works as follows from speaking to my lawyer and police:

1. Determination of guilt
2. In my case car investigation
2a. Determination on severity of offense both by prosecutor
3. Acceptance of guilt or not by myself
3a. Court due to objection or severe motor offense and DMV decision
4. Judge decides guilt
5. Any or all or none of the consequences for determined guilt

Although the articles are not determined by the prosecutor alone, the criminal investigation results directly determines which articles can and will be carried out.This is what I took from the summary.
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From the police.

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Which police? That's rich. It's legal to move the car to the shoulder when advised by police OR a danger to others or injured parties. Once again when the police came they complained that both of us didn't move more and an off duty cop is who advised us. Furthermore, there was no question of guilt as I hit the back.
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Right, so no fine. We are not talking about another entire location or without necessity due to traffic risk. I spoke to the police... all was good on that front.
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You did, eminently clear but the OP is American with a solid sense of righteousness and she has convinced herself that she doesn't deserve a fine and therefore the whole system is shit.
I've not lived in America for approx. half my life.
System is not shit, but potentially flawed.
Being American has relatively little to do with it. It's the fact this is such a costly and damaging drama. I would argue that the Swiss here come out more righteous as never in my life have I heard of a car accident (without gross negligence) snow-piling into a criminal investigation, offense, and license removal. Overkill is the understatement of the year.
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Old 17.01.2020, 16:44
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The police who complained when they arrived upon the scene to discover that the vehicles had been moved to allow traffic to pass.

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I've not lived in America for approx. half my life.
System is not shit, but potentially flawed.
Being American has relatively little to do with it. It's the fact this is such a costly and damaging drama. I would argue that the Swiss here come out more righteous as never in my life have I heard of a car accident (without gross negligence) snow-piling into a criminal investigation, offense, and license removal. Overkill is the understatement of the year.

The law-suit from that lady you rear-ended would be another financial story? Iīd prefer the Swiss fines then :-)
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Lol, contrary to popular belief I don't think the majority of Americans are going around suing. I think that's a misconception although we DO sue more than other countries.
She would not get much... only worth it in USA to sue someone if they're making big bucks. I think if I was I wouldn't be in this mess.
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The police asked us why we didn't move other parts sooner.You can and should steer into the hard shoulder.
Possibly before hitting other cars.

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a car accident (without gross negligence) snow-piling into a criminal investigation, offense, and license removal. Overkill is the understatement of the year.
It is fair to say that all the fuss is about your behavior, not the consequence. Why do theSwisses start criminal investigations, with license removal and potentially jail time for people speeding more than 50 km/h above the speed limit? Quite often they did not even had an accident!
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