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If you are Swiss resident, you may only drive non-Swiss registered vehicles outside of Switzerland.

Likewise for EU.
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The Swiss license doesn't matter, only your Swiss residence does.

If you are Swiss resident, you may only drive non-Swiss registered vehicles outside of Switzerland.

Likewise for EU.

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Ok, and where does the insurance come in to it? I might be allowed, but how do we go about checking or getting the correct insurance cover? I have just been through both my policies and neither state anything about driving a non-Swiss car, apart from when hired which is covered in the personal liability insurance.
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My colleague (living in Switzerland) borrowed his car (CH registered) to his friend from Germany.
Just to help your English - your colleague lent his car to his friend. His friend borrowed it from him.
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LOL, I had to read it 3 times also, it is a funny sentence since one can assume its meaning.

However he is correct since he ment that we can drive foreign registered cars only outside Switzerland and are not allowed to drive them inside Switzerland (this besides all the exceptions possible)
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Re: Driving EU car outside of CH with CH licence

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Depends in what country you live, and from what country the car is from.

Once more: It is totally not relevant which country gave you your license.
Well it adds context. Also, I state Swiss licence holders because his adds context that we have Swiss car insurance. Policies vary around the EU hence my statement.

Also, you cannot live in one country and have a license from another. You have to change it, so it is relevant.
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I have just been through both my policies
Both? You mean you cars policy? Your car's policy are your car's policy. Specially your cars liability policy applies to your license plate and your car only. They can be used on another car (some special exceptions in case of a replacement apply).

Once again. There is a guest driver (looks like that is you), and a car to be used (your friends french car).

So the question you have to ask and details to be checked are:

Is any driver covered by the cars third party liability insurance?
Has the car casco insurance? (It is not mandatory so assume the answer is no)
Is any driver covered by the cars casco insurance? (Read fine print or ask insurance as it can be excluded)?
Has the guest driver other insurance which might pay instead of the casco insurance?
Has the guest driver other insurance which might pay for a non-damage bonus loss?
If the guest driver has such insurance coverage, check what are the details, coverage, and what is excluded.
If the guest driver has no such coverage, and the car has no casco coverage, can the guest driver bear the cost of a total loss?

The only real hurdle in all this is if the cars liability insurance does not cover the guest driver. Might be difficult to impossible for the guest driver to get the appropriate, mandatory liability coverage. The rest, once the mandatory liability insurance part is sorted out, is just a bit of money and mutual trust.
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Also, you cannot live in one country and have a license from another. You have to change it, so it is relevant.
It is optional. But, after a certain time the license might no longer be valid to for driving in the country of residence. In countries abroad it might still be perfectly valid. Exceptions apply if the foreign country does not request "a valid license" but "a license valid in your country of residence".

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Also, I state Swiss licence holders because his adds context that we have Swiss car insurance.
The possession of a Swiss driving license does not mean or imply that you have a Swiss car insurance in any way.
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Both? You mean you cars policy? Your car's policy are your car's policy. Specially your cars liability policy applies to your license plate and your car only. They can be used on another car (some special exceptions in case of a replacement apply).

Once again. There is a guest driver (looks like that is you), and a car to be used (your friends french car).

So the question you have to ask and details to be checked are:

Is any driver covered by the cars third party liability insurance?
Has the car casco insurance? (It is not mandatory so assume the answer is no)
Is any driver covered by the cars casco insurance? (Read fine print or ask insurance as it can be excluded)?
Has the guest driver other insurance which might pay instead of the casco insurance?
Has the guest driver other insurance which might pay for a non-damage bonus loss?
If the guest driver has such insurance coverage, check what are the details, coverage, and what is excluded.
If the guest driver has no such coverage, and the car has no casco coverage, can the guest driver bear the cost of a total loss?

The only real hurdle in all this is if the cars liability insurance does not cover the guest driver. Might be difficult to impossible for the guest driver to get the appropriate, mandatory liability coverage. The rest, once the mandatory liability insurance part is sorted out, is just a bit of money and mutual trust.
Car insurance contains liability cover but there is also a personal liability insurance package that is separate that is for everyday life that also includes a part related to motoring.
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It is optional. But, after a certain time the license might no longer be valid to for driving in the country of residence. In countries abroad it might still be perfectly valid. Exceptions apply if the foreign country does not request "a valid license" but "a license valid in your country of residence".
Live implies reside. Also, most EU countries require you to change license or declare residence after 180days.
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Live implies reside. Also, most EU countries require you to change license or declare residence after 180days.
Sorry, still optional. No need to change if you do not intend to drive in the country of residence.
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Also, you cannot live in one country and have a license from another.
Yes, you can.

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You have to change it.
Only after a year, and only if you want to drive in the country where you are resident.

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Sorry, still optional. No need to change if you do not intend to drive in the country of residence.
Oh gosh.... come on! We are talking about driving.....
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We are talking about driving.....
outside of CH.

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Yes, you can.



Only after a year, and only if you want to drive in the country where you are resident.

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Isn’t this all pedantics?!
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Isn’t this all pedantics?!
When it comes to laws, being pedantic is of great importance.

I could have chosen to not exchange my drivers license years ago, and still use it across the border with nobody complaining. Also there are loads of people who do not understand or know these rules fully, and people just keep bringing up the totally not relevant country that issued the license. Nobody cares, since it simply does not matter for this.
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Re: Driving EU car outside of CH with CH licence

The question was “ Am I allowed to drive a car on a non-swiss plates (in this case DE or PL plates) in France, when i have swiss licence plate? Car will be either rented from a rental company or borrowed from a friend (in any case, owner of the vehicle will not be traveling with it”

You cannot drive as a Swiss resident with a Swiss licence a non-Swiss registered car in Switzerland without a Customs derogation. I am told that is readily given for a rental or a foreign corporate vehicle — after all you might be a professional lorry driver or a trade plate driver passing through or to Switzerland.

My car is UK registered. From the Swiss border only a UK-resident family member drives it. She is a Swiss/GB citizen resident in U.K. No problem, saves me the trouble of seeking a derogation. I own no car in Switzerland.

You can drive any legally-registered car anywhere else in the world although a few countries (Hello Japan!) require an IDP. EU law requires that any EU-registered car be taxed in the country of registration. EU law also provides that a car with fake plates purporting to be from a member state but not insured, that country’s car tax Bureau has to pay anyway. Yeah: I was hit by a Polish car: never got the money.

I think that bernoise reply answers your question: Yes.

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a few countries (Hello Japan!) require an IDP..
In case of Japan. Yes and No.

In Japan you would indeed need, next to your valid license, an IDP according the Geneva Convention on Road Traffic from 1949. Unfortunately Switzerland never ratified this convention and thus no one can issue such an IDP for a Swiss driving license.

Nevertheless, one is allowed to drive in Japan with a Swiss license due to a bilateral agreement between Japan and Switzerland. In lieu of an IDP according the 1949 convention one needs a translation from the Japanese Automobile Federation JAF. The JAF also issues translations for driving licenses from Germany, France, Belgium, Monaco, Estonia, and Taiwan.

See also: Renting a car in Japan: CH license wont work...
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Yes, you can.



Only after a year, and only if you want to drive in the country where you are resident.

Tom
No, licenses issued in the EU are valid anywhere in the EU without the need to change. A Swiss license has a special status as it is regarded as a EU license eventhough CH is not in the EU.
It´s going to be intereststing to find out if UK license holders who are resident in the EU will be forced to change.
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No, licenses issued in the EU are valid anywhere in the EU without the need to change. A Swiss license has a special status as it is regarded as a EU license eventhough CH is not in the EU.
It´s going to be intereststing to find out if UK license holders who are resident in the EU will be forced to change.
The Swiss license is not fully equivalent to an EU/EEA license.

If you have a Swiss license and move residency to an EU country and you wish to drive in said EU country you will need to exchange your license to a local one within the time period set by the countries law and ordinances.

In case of Germany that is within 6 months. § 29 Abs 1., §31 and Annex 11 FeV https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/f...198000010.html

Or see also this information from the UK goverment. Switzerland is considered as a "designated country"
https://www.gov.uk/exchange-foreign-driving-licence

Or here from Malta, where the period is 12 months.
https://www.transport.gov.mt/land/li...ng-licence-785

Or here from France, where the period is also 12 months.
https://www.service-public.fr/partic...osdroits/F1460

The only thing which is special is that an EU/EEA license can be easily exchanged into a Swiss one and vice versa.

It is only logical that if the Swiss mandate an exchange so will the EU countries.
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§ 28 Anerkennung von Fahrerlaubnissen aus Mitgliedstaaten der Europäischen Union oder einem anderen Vertragsstaat des Abkommens über den Europäischen Wirtschaftsraum

(1) Inhaber einer gültigen EU- oder EWR-Fahrerlaubnis, die ihren ordentlichen Wohnsitz im Sinne des § 7 Absatz 1 oder 2 in der Bundesrepublik Deutschland haben, dürfen – vorbehaltlich der Einschränkungen nach den Absätzen 2 bis 4 – im Umfang ihrer Berechtigung Kraftfahrzeuge im Inland führen. Auflagen zur ausländischen Fahrerlaubnis sind auch im Inland zu beachten. Auf die Fahrerlaubnisse finden die Vorschriften dieser Verordnung Anwendung, soweit nichts anderes bestimmt ist.
(2) Der Umfang der Berechtigung der jeweiligen Fahrerlaubnisklassen ergibt sich aus dem Beschluss (EU) 2016/1945 der Kommission vom 14. Oktober 2016 über Äquivalenzen zwischen Führerscheinklassen (ABl. L 302 vom 9.11.2016, S. 62). Die Berechtigung nach Absatz 1 gilt nicht für Fahrerlaubnisklassen, für die die Entscheidung der Kommission keine entsprechenden Klassen ausweist. Für die Berechtigung zum Führen von Fahrzeugen der Klassen L und T gilt § 6 Absatz 3 entsprechend.
(3) Die Vorschriften über die Geltungsdauer von Fahrerlaubnissen der Klassen C, C1, CE, C1E, D, D1, DE und D1E in § 23 Absatz 1 gelten auch für die entsprechenden EU- und EWR-Fahrerlaubnisse. Grundlage für die Berechnung der Geltungsdauer ist das Datum der Erteilung der ausländischen Fahrerlaubnis. Wäre danach eine solche Fahrerlaubnis ab dem Zeitpunkt der Verlegung des ordentlichen Wohnsitzes in die Bundesrepublik Deutschland nicht mehr gültig, weil seit der Erteilung mehr als fünf Jahre verstrichen sind, besteht die Berechtigung nach Absatz 1 Satz 1 noch sechs Monate, gerechnet von der Begründung des ordentlichen Wohnsitzes im Inland an. Für die Erteilung einer deutschen Fahrerlaubnis ist § 30 in Verbindung mit § 24 Absatz 1 entsprechend anzuwenden.
(4) Die Berechtigung nach Absatz 1 gilt nicht für Inhaber einer EU- oder EWR-Fahrerlaubnis,





Basically you can use any convertable License from any EU country including CH without having to exchange it for a local one.
The Paragraph however says that if your foreign license has an expiry date then you have a six month period to exchange it to a local one.
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(1) Inhaber einer ausländischen Fahrerlaubnis dürfen im Umfang ihrer Berechtigung im Inland Kraftfahrzeuge führen, wenn sie hier keinen ordentlichen Wohnsitz nach § 7 haben. Für die Berechtigung zum Führen von Fahrzeugen der Klassen AM, L und T gilt § 6 Absatz 3 entsprechend. Begründet der Inhaber einer in einem anderen Mitgliedstaat der Europäischen Union oder einem anderen Vertragsstaat des Abkommens über den Europäischen Wirtschaftsraum erteilten Fahrerlaubnis einen ordentlichen Wohnsitz im Inland, richtet sich seine weitere Berechtigung zum Führen von Kraftfahrzeugen nach § 28. Begründet der Inhaber einer in einem anderen Staat erteilten Fahrerlaubnis einen ordentlichen Wohnsitz im Inland, besteht die Berechtigung noch sechs Monate. Die Fahrerlaubnisbehörde kann die Frist auf Antrag bis zu sechs Monate verlängern, wenn der Antragsteller glaubhaft macht, dass er seinen ordentlichen Wohnsitz nicht länger als zwölf Monate im Inland haben wird. Auflagen zur ausländischen Fahrerlaubnis sind auch im Inland zu beachten.
(2) Die Fahrerlaubnis ist durch einen gültigen nationalen oder Internationalen Führerschein nach Artikel 7 und Anlage E des Internationalen Abkommens über Kraftfahrzeugverkehr vom 24. April 1926, Artikel 24 und Anlage 10 des Übereinkommens über den Straßenverkehr vom 19. September 1949 (Vertragstexte der Vereinten Nationen 1552 S. 22) oder nach Artikel 41 und Anhang 7 des Übereinkommens über den Straßenverkehr vom 8. November 1968 in Verbindung mit dem zugrunde liegenden nationalen Führerschein nachzuweisen. Ausländische nationale Führerscheine, die nicht in deutscher Sprache abgefasst sind, die nicht in einem anderen Mitgliedstaat der Europäischen Union oder einem anderen Vertragsstaat des Abkommens über den Europäischen Wirtschaftsraum oder der Schweiz ausgestellt worden sind oder die nicht dem Anhang 6 des Übereinkommens über den Straßenverkehr vom 8. November 1968 entsprechen, müssen mit einer Übersetzung verbunden sein, es sei denn, die Bundesrepublik Deutschland hat auf das Mitführen der Übersetzung verzichtet. Die Übersetzung muss von einem international anerkannten Automobilklub des Ausstellungsstaates oder einer vom Bundesministerium für Verkehr und digitale Infrastruktur bestimmten Stelle gefertigt sein.
(3) Die Berechtigung nach Absatz 1 gilt nicht für Inhaber ausländischer Fahrerlaubnisse,
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