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Passed test 4 months ago... jumped a red....

My daughter passed her driving test only 4 months ago.

Unfortunately just fined 250chf for jumping red.

Does anyone know or can point me in the right direction.

Is the fine it... or will there be more pain with loosing the license the license?

Left Switzerland a few years ago so a bit out the loop where to look.

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Re: Passed test 4 months ago... jumped a red....

Read this. Sorry its only in German
https://www.e-recht24.de/artikel/ver...berfahren.html

Bei Rot über die Ampel in der Probezeit
Junge Fahrer verursachen laut Statistik die meisten Verkehrsunfälle. Um Fahranfänger daher zu verantwortungsbewusstem Fahren zu animieren und die Unfallrate zu mildern, stehen sie in der zweijährigen Probezeit sozusagen besonders unter Beobachtung.
In der Probezeit stellt ein Rotlichtverstoß im Ordnungswidrigkeitsrecht ein sogenanntes "A-Delikt" dar. Ein solches ist ein schwerwiegender Verkehrsverstoß, worunter auch das unerlaubte Entfernen vom Unfallort und Nötigung, z.B. durch dichtes Auffahren auf der Autobahn mit Betätigen der Lichthupe, fallen (vgl. § 34 Fahrerlaubnis-Verordnung (FeV)).

Zweijährige Verlängerung der Probezeit und Aufbauseminar
Kann einem Fahranfänger nachgewiesen werden, dass er ein A-Delikt begangen hat, muss er eine zweijährige Verlängerung der Probezeit in Kauf nehmen und ein Aufbauseminar besuchen. Bei einem Rotlichtverstoß werden zudem, abhängig davon, ob ein einfacher oder qualifizierter Rotlichtverstoß vorliegt,

Bußgelder,
Punkte und
Fahrverbote verhängt.
Der Ablauf des Aufbauseminars ist in der FeV geregelt. Im Aufbauseminar werden in einer Gruppe von mindestens sechs und höchstens zwölf Teilnehmern in vier Sitzungen á 135 Minuten unter anderem die Vergehen der Seminarteilnehmer besprochen und geeignete Wege zur Vermeidung von Fehlverhalten im Straßenverkehr vorgestellt.

Wird innerhalb der von der Straßenverkehrsbehörde festgelegten Zeit keine Teilnahmebescheinigung vorgelegt, geht das Gesetz davon aus, dass der Fahranfänger ungeeignet zum Führen von Kraftfahrzeugen ist. § 3 Straßenverkehrsgesetz (StVG) ordnet an, dass ungeeignete Fahrer nicht am Straßenverkehr teilnehmen dürfen. Die Führerscheinbehörde entzieht dem Fahranfänger daher dauerhaft den Führerschein.

MPU nach Rotlichtverstoß in der Probezeit
Zusätzlich zu den oben genannten Maßnahmen kann die Führerscheinbehörde auch eine medizinisch-psychologische Untersuchung (MPU) des Fahranfängers anordnen, wenn die von ihm begangenen Verkehrsverstöße bereits so schwerwiegend waren, dass sie seine charakterliche Eignung zum Führen von Kraftfahrzeugen zweifelhaft erscheinen lassen.

Wird der Fahranfänger in der verlängerten Probezeit erneut dabei erwischt, eine rote Ampel zu überfahren, wird er schriftlich verwarnt und erhält eine Empfehlung, innerhalb von zwei Monaten freiwillig eine verkehrspsychologische Beratung zu absolvieren. Hat der verkehrssündige Fahranfänger bis dahin noch nicht aus seinem Fehlverhalten gelernt und kommt es innerhalb von zwei Monaten erneut zu einem Rotlichtverstoß, wird ihm der Führerschein ebenfalls dauerhaft entzogen.
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Re: Passed test 4 months ago... jumped a red....

The above "information" by omtatsat is irrelevant as it explains the situation in Germany. As we are in Switzerland and the fine is in Swiss France the following is much more helpful (it is also in English).


A CHF 250 red light fine is a simple fine according the "price list" (Ordnungsbussenverordnung/Ordonnance sur les amendes d’ordre https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...142/index.html ).

A simple fine, if paid on time, is not registered and there will be no further consequences. Hopefully your daughter is more in the future more aware about the surrounding and the status of the traffic light. Btw. Yellow means you should come to halt if possible

Be aware that a simple fine for a red light infraction is only possible if the following condition are fulfilled: No one has been endangered, and the red light was lit no more than 2 seconds. If those conditions are not met a citation from prosecutor/judge would be issued, plus court fees, plus a warning or driving ban from the driving license authority, plus even more fees.
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Re: Passed test 4 months ago... jumped a red....

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The above "information" by omtatsat is irrelevant as it explains the situation in Germany. As we are in Switzerland and the fine is in Swiss France the following is much more helpful (it is also in English).


A CHF 250 red light fine is a simple fine according the "price list" (Ordnungsbussenverordnung/Ordonnance sur les amendes d’ordre https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...142/index.html ).

A simple fine, if paid on time, is not registered and there will be no further consequences. Hopefully your daughter is more in the future more aware about the surrounding and the status of the traffic light. Btw. Yellow means you should come to halt if possible

Be aware that a simple fine for a red light infraction is only possible if the following condition are fulfilled: No one has been endangered, and the red light was lit no more than 2 seconds. If those conditions are not met a citation from prosecutor/judge would be issued, plus court fees, plus a warning or driving ban from the driving license authority, plus even more fees.
Really appreciate this thank you.

As she has received a 250chf hoping this is it then it's finished and it's only a fine.

With the stress, anxiety etc. this has caused she is more than sorry for her mistake.
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Re: Passed test 4 months ago... jumped a red....

My kids have all passed their tests in recent years. I'll ask them. I do know one girl who never made it to part two, due to two or three infractions, but I don't know the rules.

One of my kids has so far had two low speed parking prangs. 1000CHF a pop - that's just the excess on the insurance. Thankfully, separate years and we're allowed one per year without losing no-claims bonus.

Edit: possibly Kantonal variations aside, in BL, fines don't matter. But if your license is suspended (usually three months), then the probationary period is extended by a year. If it's suspended again during that time, you lose your license for good, and have to re-take the test. So, no worries for the OP's daughter.
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Re: Passed test 4 months ago... jumped a red....

There is no cantons variation. Traffic law is federal law. A simple fine according the price list (https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...142/index.html) has no further consequences. Pay. Done. Do better.

For others the Swiss Road Traffic Act (SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...266/index.html) specifies the following.

Further administrative consequences such a warning and or a driving ban can only be issued if a simple fine according the price list is not possible Art. 16 Abs. 2 SVG. That is when you get a fine with fees from a prosecutor or judge based on Art. 90 Abs. 1 SVG or a monetary penalty or (suspended) jail sentence based on Art. 90 Abs. 2 SVG.

A warning based on Art. 16a SVG has no direct consequences on the new driver's probationary period. But if there was warning within the last two years a one month ban will be the result. In case of traffic rule infraction a warning needs a sentencing based on Art. 90 Abs. 1 SVG and can only be issued if the guilt was minor AND the risk to others was minor.

A one month ban according Art. 16b SVG is the result of a sentencing based on Art. 90 Abs. 1 SVG and where either guilt and/or harm to others was not minor.

A ban of at least three month based on Art. 16c SVG must be issued in case of sentencing according Art. 90 Abs. 2 SVG. This will be the case of a serious traffic infraction. Be aware that there will be an income based monetary penalty (or even jail) and a criminal record entry as well.

A first driving ban within the new driver's probationary period, will extend the probationary period by one year. Art. 15a Abs. 3 SVG

A second driving ban within the new driver's probationary period results in a void license and a new license, from scratch, can only be acquired after a waiting period of at least one year. Art. 15a Abs. 4 and 5 SVG.

Note: Art. 90 SVG only covers infractions of the traffic rules. Drunk driving, driving with a not roadworthy car, driving without having the correct license are covered in other articles of the law and can also lead to a warning or driving ban with the above mentioned consequences.
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If it's just a fine and not a "geldstrafe" just pay and move on.

What is the difference between a Geldstrafe and a fine?? Geldstrafe means to me you have to pay money = fine.


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Re: Passed test 4 months ago... jumped a red....

Geldstrafe - Is an income based monetary penalty issued in increments of days. It is in lieu of short jail sentences. A monetary penalty can be issued fully or partially on suspension. If on suspension there will also be a fine. A monetary penalty will always come with an criminal record entry.

The Swiss Criminal Code knows three levels of wrongdoings:
Contraventions - Punishment is a fine. Art. 103 Criminal Code https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a103
Misdemeanors - Punishment is a monetary penalty or jail. Art. 10 Criminal Code https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...index.html#a10
Felony - Punishment is at least 3 years of jail. Art. 10 Criminal Code.

A fine can only be issued by the police directly if it is listed on the federal "price list" (Ordnungsbussenverordnung https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...142/index.html) or a communal/cantonal price list (only possible for contraventions against communal ordinances or cantonal law as an example the one from Uster https://www.uster.ch/_docn/1894334/Bussenliste_2018.pdf ). Anything else will lead to an official citation even if it is just a contraventions punished by a fine.

First instance is at the prosecutor. In case the penalty is a fine, a monetary up to 180 days, or jail of up to 6 months, the prosecutor can issue a summary penalty order Art. 352 Swiss Criminal Code https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a352 The accused can either accept it or challenge it in the district court. (Note: A penalty order always comes with some extra fees).

If the prosecutor can not issue a penalty order the case will go to the district court. A non-acquittal always comes with some extra court fees.

You can further challenge it in the cantonal court, in the federal court, and at the ECHR. No need for a lawyer until ECHR.

In case of a traffic infraction everything which cannot be handled with a simple fine will also lead to an administrative measure from the driving license authority. Art. 16 Abs. 2 SVG. Even if the punishment is just a fine and not a monetary penalty.

If the punishment was a fine it can be either a warning based on Art. 16a SVG which is active for two years or a ban of one month based on Art. 16b SVG (higher ban for repeated offenders). If warning or ban depends on prosecutors wording and overall circumstances.

If the pun.. Wait? I already have written that sh!t. Please read the above post.


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If it's just a fine and not a "geldstrafe" just pay and move on.
No. Important as you can read in the post above you is if the fine was issued by a prosecutor/judge or if it is comes from the police based on the "price list". Only the latter as no further consequences.
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